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CSM December minutes: Live Events

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CCP Xhagen
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-01-16 16:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Dolan
Here you can discuss the "Live Events" section of the CSM minutes.

You can find the full minutes here

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2013-01-16 20:44:27 UTC
Interesting Stuff.

I'd suggest, perhaps, with live events, that there's some sort of warning/notification that can be used to identify that a system has some kind of event going on on the other side of a gate. Like the low-sec warning. Use it for Incursions as well?

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#3 - 2013-01-17 02:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
I like what I've read. Bringing back live events better than before! It's enough to almost heal my trauma I've had since the shattering of the dream that used to be Incarna. When I first learned about EVE, live events were a reason that made me try this game, only to learn that they no longer existed.

I like what the Illuminati are doing, the faction contact list, the 'loyalty statements' thread, and I look forward to their future activities. If they keep getting this kind of support from CCP, I think I may eventually like this so much that I think it's better for RP then Incarna ever could be. It looks like CCP recruiting EVE RP'ers is the best thing they've done on the RP/story-player interaction field in a looooong time (although that was not very hard to accomplish, especially since Dropbear left CCP).

One thing: don't just focus on big and combat events. I for one would also like summits with actors and players, a live-action ceremony like the empress' coronation, two actors just talking in a local channel dropping clues that may or may not be noticed, or just one broadcasting an emergency call for help on local/IGS. Send faction representatives to stuff like the Malkalen Memorial or the Seylinn Conference.
Of course, no one can be stopped from (suicide-)ganking something like that ceremony, but events don't always have to be focused on combat. Federation Day can be celebrated with other fireworks now.

Keep up the good work/resources. I really mean this. I don't think I'll be able to handle another shattered dream.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-01-17 03:09:14 UTC
Che Biko wrote:


One thing: don't just focus on big and combat events. I for one would also like summits with actors and players, a live-action ceremony like the empress' coronation, two actors just talking in a local channel dropping clues that may or may not be noticed, or just one broadcasting an emergency call for help on local/IGS. Send a faction representatives to stuff like the Malkalen Memorial or the Seylinn Conference.
Of course, no-one can be stopped from (suicide-)ganking something like that ceremony, but it events don't always have to be focused on combat. Federation Day can be celebrated with other fireworks now.

That's a good point, it doesn't have to be ships exploding to be interesting. Fireworks, processions, spatial effects, and even actor based political drama like you describe would be really interesting to see.

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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2013-01-17 12:04:58 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Interesting Stuff.

I'd suggest, perhaps, with live events, that there's some sort of warning/notification that can be used to identify that a system has some kind of event going on on the other side of a gate. Like the low-sec warning. Use it for Incursions as well?


This would be technically very difficult to achieve, as many events involve moving pretty swiftly through systems, or having single actors as "plants" drumming up support in satellite systems that aren't involved in the event themselves, but would still be considered part of the event. What specific problem would you be trying to solve with this measure? If it's informing people of the event, that would be pretty apparent from local discussion.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2013-01-17 12:05:48 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Che Biko wrote:


One thing: don't just focus on big and combat events. I for one would also like summits with actors and players, a live-action ceremony like the empress' coronation, two actors just talking in a local channel dropping clues that may or may not be noticed, or just one broadcasting an emergency call for help on local/IGS. Send a faction representatives to stuff like the Malkalen Memorial or the Seylinn Conference.
Of course, no-one can be stopped from (suicide-)ganking something like that ceremony, but it events don't always have to be focused on combat. Federation Day can be celebrated with other fireworks now.

That's a good point, it doesn't have to be ships exploding to be interesting. Fireworks, processions, spatial effects, and even actor based political drama like you describe would be really interesting to see.


Totally agree. We do have quite a lot of events under our belt that are dialogue only at the moment, and some in the pipeline in which we try out some new, non-combat orientated ways of getting people involved.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

CCP Falcon
#7 - 2013-01-17 12:07:50 UTC
I'm glad that you guys liked what you read, and yes... the things that you're suggesting are all things I've considered for Live Events.

We want things to be bigger, badder, more savage, engrossing, grand and immersing than anything that's been done before.

Right now, we're testing the waters, but soon we'll be looking to push the envelope a little and see how far we can take things.

Hopefully it's going to kick ass, and the team has big ambitions Big smile

The support from a huge number of our players also makes it so much more rewarding and worthwhile for us. <3

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#8 - 2013-01-17 12:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
CCP Goliath wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Interesting Stuff.

I'd suggest, perhaps, with live events, that there's some sort of warning/notification that can be used to identify that a system has some kind of event going on on the other side of a gate. Like the low-sec warning. Use it for Incursions as well?


This would be technically very difficult to achieve, as many events involve moving pretty swiftly through systems, or having single actors as "plants" drumming up support in satellite systems that aren't involved in the event themselves, but would still be considered part of the event. What specific problem would you be trying to solve with this measure? If it's informing people of the event, that would be pretty apparent from local discussion.


Normally, in highsec, gate to gate travel is safe from NPCs. Changing that even with a limited number of systems, is changing expectations. As mentioned in the notes (Twostep or Trebor, iirc) freighter pilots will be far less than happy jumping their defenceless ship into the middle of a warzone with no notification. (Hmm. Is this a conspiracy to make all freighter pilots have scouting characters for each of their freighters? Blink )

Not a huge deal for me, as I generally run a scout due to paranoia. but a lot of people don't.

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CCP Falcon
#9 - 2013-01-17 12:46:17 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not a huge deal for me, as I generally run a scout due to paranoia. but a lot of people don't.


As I said in the Live Events Summit with the CSM, if people think that they're safe when they undock in EVE, regardless of what security rating system they might be in, they're sadly mistaken.



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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#10 - 2013-01-17 13:44:27 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Che Biko wrote:


One thing: don't just focus on big and combat events. I for one would also like summits with actors and players, a live-action ceremony like the empress' coronation, two actors just talking in a local channel dropping clues that may or may not be noticed, or just one broadcasting an emergency call for help on local/IGS. Send a faction representatives to stuff like the Malkalen Memorial or the Seylinn Conference.
Of course, no-one can be stopped from (suicide-)ganking something like that ceremony, but it events don't always have to be focused on combat. Federation Day can be celebrated with other fireworks now.

That's a good point, it doesn't have to be ships exploding to be interesting. Fireworks, processions, spatial effects, and even actor based political drama like you describe would be really interesting to see.


Totally agree. We do have quite a lot of events under our belt that are dialogue only at the moment, and some in the pipeline in which we try out some new, non-combat orientated ways of getting people involved.


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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2013-01-17 15:13:19 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Interesting Stuff.

I'd suggest, perhaps, with live events, that there's some sort of warning/notification that can be used to identify that a system has some kind of event going on on the other side of a gate. Like the low-sec warning. Use it for Incursions as well?


This would be technically very difficult to achieve, as many events involve moving pretty swiftly through systems, or having single actors as "plants" drumming up support in satellite systems that aren't involved in the event themselves, but would still be considered part of the event. What specific problem would you be trying to solve with this measure? If it's informing people of the event, that would be pretty apparent from local discussion.


Normally, in highsec, gate to gate travel is safe from NPCs. Changing that even with a limited number of systems, is changing expectations. As mentioned in the notes (Twostep or Trebor, iirc) freighter pilots will be far less than happy jumping their defenceless ship into the middle of a warzone with no notification. (Hmm. Is this a conspiracy to make all freighter pilots have scouting characters for each of their freighters? Blink )

Not a huge deal for me, as I generally run a scout due to paranoia. but a lot of people don't.


Just to be clear, that section of the conversation was massively hypothetical and we would be doing a lot of risk analysis before making any major moves there. It would also be technically unfeasible at the moment and would need development time, so there would be plenty of notice if that's a route we decide to pursue.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#12 - 2013-01-17 15:19:26 UTC
What would be nice is if you could set your own gate lockout parameters.

So it'll prompt you if certain conditions that you set exist in the system they're connected to.

so carebears can set 'prompt if the security level is less than 0.7 or there have been pod kills'
So lowsec pirates can set 'prompt if it's above 0.7' (so they don't get accidentally attacked without noticing by faction police)

and so on.

And if that's in place, then a flag that could be set on systems is 'live event active'.

All pie in the sky stuff. I recognize that it's not simple.

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-17 15:21:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Grideris
I think the most important thing is that we want more, and you guys have said you will give more. This makes me happy. I don't really have any discussion points to add (not that I haven't gone over in the past with you guys)

(Most of what follows is more informational for anyone that hasn't been part of Live Events but is curious about them. Read before you post, your questions might be covered in here. Some of this is also covered in the minutes)

If you do find yourself at a combat event, treat it as PvP. Expect to lose your ship, and don't expect CCP to fight fair, let you get away in structure or go easy on you. Don't expect awesome loot drops from any event actors or NPCs. ROE for Event actors varies depending on what faction they represent; faction navy actors are less likely to engage without being shot first; pirate actors will likely shoot you unless you claim loyalty to their faction. Event actors will generally be easy to identify as they will have yellow text when chatting, will be in a normally inaccessible NPC corp, and will often have been around for longer than what EVE has been running (Citizen Ahvar is a great example of this). Another way you can check is by adding them to your watchlist. Event Actors will always appear offline, even if they're sitting right in front of you in space.

If you want to actually chat to the Event actors when they wander on, I recommend you hang out in the Live Events channel. It's not a strict "In Character" channel, but when you're talking to anyone with yellow text, just remember they don't know your local sporting team, and they certainly don't know who CCP are. And remember that you, the character, don't possess all the knowledge that you, the player, does.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, the other channel they visit at the moment is "The Summit". That channel is a full on IC channel, and you need to act the part if you want to hang around it. If you feel like you want to get more into this side of EVE but don't feel confident with fitting the setting, you can join the OOC channel. Usually very helpful, they'll help set you on the right track.

If you don't see them around but want to chat to them anyway, you can always send them a mail. While I'm sure the CONCORD officers will not respond to your requests to have your parking tickets cleared, they're all pretty good at getting back to you.

For those wondering what kind of "other" events CCP have run in the past, there have been times where an Event Actor has asked for people to contract them various items. Currently, there's a Blood Raider looking for people to shoot Royal Khanid Navy ships and hand in the tags they drop (if you're curious about this, shoot Asias Urazmie a message. Tell her a friend of a friend sent you - just don't mention my name as she doesn't like me and would likely shun you if you mentioned me). Before that, Combined Harvest was asking for aid donations to help the city of Rilnais after it got nuked from orbit by a Serpentis fleet. I'm sure that CCP will think of some more ones (I myself and wondering when they'll finally make a mining event) - if you have ideas, you can always mail a faction contact (or CCP Falcon if you don't know which one to mail)

Another thing to keep in mind, is that while they've worked out what direction they want the events to go, they aren't completely set in stone. So it's not a case of "shoot stuff, things happen, result is the same no matter what." The result in the end is up to us (though the chances might be skewed towards one side, but it's justified when that happens) and is dictated by the actions we take. So if you want to leave your mark on New Eden, this is the perfect way to do it.

If you're still confused, curious or have other queries, you can always mail CCP Falcon. He loves getting questions almost as much as answering them. You can also poke me either by EVE Mail, private convo or in the Live Events channel. While I'm not CCP and thus can't give an authoritative answer, I've been doing this for a while so I should be able to answer most of your questions.

(On a side note, to all those saying they want more warning? In some instances, this makes sense. But a surprise attack isn't if they announce to the world what they're doing the day before.)

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Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
#14 - 2013-01-17 20:42:12 UTC
I love the idea of more live events; this is one aspect of EVE I definitely want to experience.

I think there needs to be more work on how live events are communicated to the community to give us the best chance of being able to participate. For example, the use of Twitter. It seems to me absurd that Twitter is used as a primary means of communicating EVE-related news. Not everyone is a Twit, or connected to facebook 24/7, or whatever social medium is flavor of the month. But every EVE customer has an EVE account, so surely some internal EVE communication channel should be the first, most complete and most reliably used method of communication re live events?

If I knew when and where live events were going to happen in advance, I'd be able to plan to be there at least sometimes.

I do understand that you have to balance advance notice against spontaneity though - not all live events would work or be fun if you had thousands of participants turning up - but please do plan to maximise participation opportunities.

Oh, and more storyline related stuff for W-space please! (e.g. a follow-up for the abandoned helios fleet recklessly destroyed would be good)

Z3
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2013-01-18 10:33:45 UTC
Zyrbalax III wrote:
I love the idea of more live events; this is one aspect of EVE I definitely want to experience.

I think there needs to be more work on how live events are communicated to the community to give us the best chance of being able to participate. For example, the use of Twitter. It seems to me absurd that Twitter is used as a primary means of communicating EVE-related news. Not everyone is a Twit, or connected to facebook 24/7, or whatever social medium is flavor of the month. But every EVE customer has an EVE account, so surely some internal EVE communication channel should be the first, most complete and most reliably used method of communication re live events?

If I knew when and where live events were going to happen in advance, I'd be able to plan to be there at least sometimes.

I do understand that you have to balance advance notice against spontaneity though - not all live events would work or be fun if you had thousands of participants turning up - but please do plan to maximise participation opportunities.

Oh, and more storyline related stuff for W-space please! (e.g. a follow-up for the abandoned helios fleet recklessly destroyed would be good)

Z3


For in-game information, we have several channels that information is spread through. By signing up to any of the mailing lists here you will get contacted in game about events relating to that group. The Live Events channel (player run) is also instrumental in finding out info as soon as it comes available.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Zyrbalax III
Goldcrest Enterprises
#16 - 2013-01-18 12:32:47 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Zyrbalax III wrote:
I love the idea of more live events; this is one aspect of EVE I definitely want to experience.

I think there needs to be more work on how live events are communicated to the community to give us the best chance of being able to participate. For example, the use of Twitter. It seems to me absurd that Twitter is used as a primary means of communicating EVE-related news. Not everyone is a Twit, or connected to facebook 24/7, or whatever social medium is flavor of the month. But every EVE customer has an EVE account, so surely some internal EVE communication channel should be the first, most complete and most reliably used method of communication re live events?

If I knew when and where live events were going to happen in advance, I'd be able to plan to be there at least sometimes.

I do understand that you have to balance advance notice against spontaneity though - not all live events would work or be fun if you had thousands of participants turning up - but please do plan to maximise participation opportunities.

Oh, and more storyline related stuff for W-space please! (e.g. a follow-up for the abandoned helios fleet recklessly destroyed would be good)

Z3


For in-game information, we have several channels that information is spread through. By signing up to any of the mailing lists here you will get contacted in game about events relating to that group. The Live Events channel (player run) is also instrumental in finding out info as soon as it comes available.


First, thank you for pointing out those mailing lists to me, I will consider which faction to sign up to as I and my "family" of alts hold no firm allegiances in game at present. Would be nice if there was a "tell me about everything" option although this probably comes back to my point about spontaneity :o)

Second, Live Events Channel will now join my channel list (although that sounds live reactive info rather than advance notice of events).

Finally can you make a commitment that everything that goes out on Twitter / Facebook is also easily accessible through the in-game sources?

Thanks
Z3
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2013-01-18 12:50:09 UTC
Zyrbalax III wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Zyrbalax III wrote:
I love the idea of more live events; this is one aspect of EVE I definitely want to experience.

I think there needs to be more work on how live events are communicated to the community to give us the best chance of being able to participate. For example, the use of Twitter. It seems to me absurd that Twitter is used as a primary means of communicating EVE-related news. Not everyone is a Twit, or connected to facebook 24/7, or whatever social medium is flavor of the month. But every EVE customer has an EVE account, so surely some internal EVE communication channel should be the first, most complete and most reliably used method of communication re live events?

If I knew when and where live events were going to happen in advance, I'd be able to plan to be there at least sometimes.

I do understand that you have to balance advance notice against spontaneity though - not all live events would work or be fun if you had thousands of participants turning up - but please do plan to maximise participation opportunities.

Oh, and more storyline related stuff for W-space please! (e.g. a follow-up for the abandoned helios fleet recklessly destroyed would be good)

Z3


For in-game information, we have several channels that information is spread through. By signing up to any of the mailing lists here you will get contacted in game about events relating to that group. The Live Events channel (player run) is also instrumental in finding out info as soon as it comes available.


First, thank you for pointing out those mailing lists to me, I will consider which faction to sign up to as I and my "family" of alts hold no firm allegiances in game at present. Would be nice if there was a "tell me about everything" option although this probably comes back to my point about spontaneity :o)

Second, Live Events Channel will now join my channel list (although that sounds live reactive info rather than advance notice of events).

Finally can you make a commitment that everything that goes out on Twitter / Facebook is also easily accessible through the in-game sources?

Thanks
Z3


I guess the "tell me everything" option would be to sign up to all the factions ;) Not ideal I agree! I won't make such a firm commitment as you request right now, as we are still experimenting with various ways of getting information to people, but I can say that we are working towards an ultimate solution.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2013-01-18 18:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
So my question is, how hard is it to get a 'Scope' or 'ACN' voulenteer actor on the scene filming the events?

No need to voice it out (though the players comms could voulenteer the reporter in) Keep involved fleet com window open if desired and just hang out with the fleet involved.

If spice is desired, an intro video (ie breaking news or this day in history clip) then a news banner on the bottom.

I don't know but overall I have to agree that many live events go unnoticed. I mean somone told me new caldari was under blockaid the day tibus heath got shot. I'd never even knew the blockaid happen, and that the textual news story was far more prevailant.

As for being aware of live events ahead of time... via mail links, chat channel and groups I don't exactly am that enthastic for them. It sort of ruins the surprise for me you know?

Last event I was in was years ago but some guy in a iteron was dealing with a kidnapped daughter by a business man and we had to track the guy down a bit. That event also never hit textual news.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#19 - 2013-01-19 11:55:49 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Interesting Stuff.

I'd suggest, perhaps, with live events, that there's some sort of warning/notification that can be used to identify that a system has some kind of event going on on the other side of a gate. Like the low-sec warning. Use it for Incursions as well?


This would be technically very difficult to achieve, as many events involve moving pretty swiftly through systems, or having single actors as "plants" drumming up support in satellite systems that aren't involved in the event themselves, but would still be considered part of the event. What specific problem would you be trying to solve with this measure? If it's informing people of the event, that would be pretty apparent from local discussion.

Such a "warning/notification" is not neaded Blink

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Citizen of Solitude

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#20 - 2013-01-19 12:01:32 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Interesting Stuff.

I'd suggest, perhaps, with live events, that there's some sort of warning/notification that can be used to identify that a system has some kind of event going on on the other side of a gate. Like the low-sec warning. Use it for Incursions as well?


This would be technically very difficult to achieve, as many events involve moving pretty swiftly through systems, or having single actors as "plants" drumming up support in satellite systems that aren't involved in the event themselves, but would still be considered part of the event. What specific problem would you be trying to solve with this measure? If it's informing people of the event, that would be pretty apparent from local discussion.


Normally, in highsec, gate to gate travel is safe from NPCs. Changing that even with a limited number of systems, is changing expectations. As mentioned in the notes (Twostep or Trebor, iirc) freighter pilots will be far less than happy jumping their defenceless ship into the middle of a warzone with no notification. (Hmm. Is this a conspiracy to make all freighter pilots have scouting characters for each of their freighters? Blink )

Not a huge deal for me, as I generally run a scout due to paranoia. but a lot of people don't.

Majority of those "new" Live Events has been in low sec, freighters don't go there, and if there will be one thats beter for us :)
And even if that would be in high sec it dosnt really happens at gates really that much, off course things may change... and yea the freighter thingy was "uber massively hypothetical"

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