Jita Park Speakers Corner

Here you can discuss the "Nullsec" section of the CSM minutes.

You can find the full minutes here

Greyscale asked the CSM if giving, say, infinite assembly lines at no cost would be sufficient to bolster null-sec industry.


^ This is the sorta thing that makes us cringe. Given that highsec is also no cost (effectively), where is the cost advantage to negate the M3 movement costs?

Did they forget. About moon goo???

Declarations of War 41 has an interesting update on that front from Fozzie. Should be up by the end of the day.

The sad truth that there was no tech problem and tech influence in all reports of dr. Eyjog. In real life I know what you could do with problem by proper usage of statistic instruments . You can proove almost everything. At least in marketing

I haven't gotten through all the notes, but the view of POS being used by a small portion of the player base is missing the point of the previously proposed revamp. There are so many things that personal, modular POS could bring to the game, it's very short-sighted to think it wouldn't become a major source of conflicts. There have been so many good ideas about it in the past couple of years, it's pretty disheartening that CCP doesn't/can't have the same vision.

They want small scale gang pvp and destructible structures, then totally pass on POS as a way to do it.

i think they are shying away from modular pos system because in reality it would end up being a psuedo jesus feature...

not in the fact it will attract a new player base but in the fact of the amount of teams/time it would require to do properly... think another 18 month thing...

you need the entire ghraphics team

plus a balancing team or two

plus a heck of a lot of programmers too...

i would prefer they take this one slowly and do it over a corse of 2 years then all at once...

That would be fine, but the minutes make it sound like a POS revamp is in the bin next to WiS. POS use is only limited now because of the way the feature is coded. They want a broad feature that can cross all play styles and then pass on one of the most obvious ones.

I could have just pulled the CSM minutes of last year, or the year before that and read that instead of this years, and have learned just as much. So I'm agreeing with Kelduum that it was a waste of time.

Same speculation of features and changes, but no commitment to any sorts to any changes yet whatsoever, and any previously roadmapped issues are waved away by Grayscale because of a "flat-out, wrong mindset", or preemptively shot down because they might not affect enough players.

If certain issues in EVE were fixed, they might see players use these features more instead of shying away from them as they do now.

There was a lot of high level discussion about nullsec in general. Most of it was acceptable, and I hope that CCP understands that the mechanics for a lot of solutions suggested more or less already exist and just need tweaking. You don't need to go all the way back to the drawing board, which is what all of this high-level talk makes me fear because it will only make things take longer.

It's kind of distressing seeing that balancing is being considered without looking at how income sources work in the present. I'm glad that the CSM has exposed this to us and I hope that CCP takes a look at these statistics before trying to fix anything.

There was no real discussion on ring mining, how is that going? I hope it's still a thing, because it's a good idea. Moon income is something that desperately needs to be changed, but CCP hasn't given us any other hints on how this would be addressed, only vague high-level ideas.

There was also no discussion on how nullsec fits in with highsec and lowsec. It's kind of a big deal, especially dealing with how to fix T2 production and industry in nullsec, and to be able to adjust the sinks/faucets in game.

I hope that with CCP's new direction on expansions that we don't have to wait until next winter to see meaningful nullsec changes. Nullsec doesn't need a gigantic expansion, it needs iteration in the short term to keep things fresh, and there hasn't been any real iteration for a long time. CCP has addressed many of the big issues with the game in the last few expansions, but Nullsec is still a sucking chest wound (despite all efforts by the community and its elected representatives) and it needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.