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BATMAN "The Dark Knight Rises" ... Just watched it last night and.....(*spoilers)

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Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-16 14:59:58 UTC
While i am a big fan thus far of Christopher Nolans adaptation of the Batman Series i cannot help but wonder where it is all headed, the third in this re-imagined franchise shot and written in a substantially darker tone than previous releases.

I like how batman is perceived as more frail, human, and mortal in the series of movies, especially this one where he basically was put out of commission by the Joker and Harvey Dent from the last movie, i mean, what normal human being that survived that kind of experience would NOT be at least somewhat crippled, both mentally and physically. And we already know Batman is kind of a nutjob.

But this movie... Raish Agul, Bain, Miranda Tate... i don't know man, i'm not a huge batman buff, but has bain EVER really been a CRUCIAL tie in the batman series, like.. so crucial as to be connected with Raish Agul and Miranda?

Also, WTF is up with the connection between Bain, Bain Capital, the Occupy Wall Street movement, and a "Free" Gotham?, is there some sort of political message there i'm supposed to get? because i really don't get it. Many villains that get sympathy are the ones that hate society for its decadence, because many of us can relate to the disgusting nature of a lot of the lifestyles people live.

The scene where miranda dies was horrible, i cannot even believe they kept it in the movie....

Also, Robin... they have foreshadowed at least 3 more batman characters to return in a new batman movie or offshoot, Robin, Killer-Croc, and i can't remember the last one, but if catwoman is involved now with batman, which at the end it looks like they will be together again in the next movie, i bet poison ivy will make her way into the plot.

For such a LONGGGGG ass batman movie, i felt that batman wasn't such a badass anymore, and rightfully so after the joker/harvey ordeal, and getting his back broken by bain, i mean, batman, you're getting old in this timeline and beat up, what left is there to do?
and if a problem comes up in gotham, how is a rickety old fart like you gonna do anything about it?

i do think the casting director make a great choice with the casting of bain, if you haven't already, go check out a movie called "Bronson", its a movie based on the life of Charlie Bronson, same guy who plays bain, and it is excellent. IMO it was this movie that got him the role of bain in batman.

but yeah, LONGGGGGGG movie. And i'm not so sure any of the actors from the past 2 movies will want to do ANOTHER batman, and this movie hardly tied a neat ribbon on this time-line.

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2013-01-16 15:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Cooyaw wrote:

But this movie... Raish Agul, Bain, Miranda Tate... i don't know man, i'm not a huge batman buff, but has bain EVER really been a CRUCIAL tie in the batman series, like.. so crucial as to be connected with Raish Agul and Miranda?


I don't know about the connection to Raish Agul but much of the last movie felt like it was based on the Knightfall saga back in the 90's. Bane does break Batmans back after Batman is worn out from fighting so much crime, but in the comics he adds insult to injury by tossing Batman off a roof as well. Our young detective in the movie is supposed to be Nightwing and I wonder if they are going to be continuing with him.

Edit: Nightwing, not Nightraven

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2013-01-16 16:21:48 UTC
Cooyaw wrote:
While i am a big fan thus far of Christopher Nolans adaptation of the Batman Series i cannot help but wonder where it is all headed....

but yeah, LONGGGGGGG movie. And i'm not so sure any of the actors from the past 2 movies will want to do ANOTHER batman, and this movie hardly tied a neat ribbon on this time-line.




Do not worry. This franchise has been announced a long time ago that it is a trilogy only, and Mr. Nolan is now finished.

Any further Batman films will be a different iteration like what has been happening with the Superman films.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-16 16:51:18 UTC
I find it hard to believe that the series ends this way. with such obvious character roots being planted. perhaps nolan plans a nightwing or robin movie?

i mean the subtext is rife
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#5 - 2013-01-16 17:07:07 UTC
It wasn't about Bain, it was about someone moving on with their life and redeeming themselves from the past.

All that stuff with Bain was just a backdrop texture to give the canvas a border, and the focal point of the painting was Batman rising.

In other words; it was Batman versus himself.

I succumb to the idea that stories have only 3 plots/frameworks:

man v man
man v machine
man v nature

The Dark Knight Rises was man v man (himself).

The film also has a more poetic feel to it, encompassing the idea of "the thing that you ultimately seek is the thing that will ultimately destroy you" and the moment you gain that knowledge is the moment you achieve a sense of "oneness" - hence the term 'atonement'; literally meaning At-One-Ment.

Balancing both sides of your wants, physical and psychological, and morphing them into a reconstructed purposeful existence is a difficult concept to achieve in cinema. I think where this film/trilogy succeeds critically is where The Matrix trilogy utterly failed.

'The Matrix' dealt with the construction of Neo, 'Reloaded' the deconstruction and 'Revelations' (ironically) dealt with the re-construction, especially at the end where Neo realises he chooses to fight or (not) fight Agent Smith and it is this thought which determined conflict, not the conflict itself. Wachowskis went way over the top in too many areas for the audience to focus on this crucial point, like all of the Zion 'fluff' and the film was poorly received, but they made a gazillion bucks so w/e.

The Dark Knight Rises is an excellent film all round, and does have a solid framework beyond comic book characters wearing silly outfits and using silly voices.

AK

This space for rent.

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2013-01-16 17:07:54 UTC
Well that's the speculation is that he will go on to produce a Nightwing or Robin series but they will be their own series and not part of the Batman trilogy.

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Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-01-16 17:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
the third batman sucks, the way i see it its a freaking joke, cheesy cheesy fight scenes, bane beats the crap out of batman but then lets him live, omg i cant even articulate how much i hate that stupid movie

Here's my favourite part; batman chilling with catwoman on top of some roof, he turns around and she has disappeared... in his raspy badass voice he says, "oh so that's what that feels like..."

It's such a huge downfall from the dark knight

I facepalmed after watching it, like picards double facepalm thing that's what I did, it's not even worthy to write about this movie but I do it anyway out of the kindness of my heart, chris nolan your movie sucks.

Edited so I sound less like a jerk
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#8 - 2013-01-16 17:25:59 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
the third batman sucks, end of story. its a freaking joke, cheesy cheesy fight scenes, bane beats the crap out of batman but then lets him live, omg i cant even articulate how much i hate that stupid movie



I'm actually inclined to agree but for many other reasons, first of which being that the Bane they made is different from comic book Bane. The second is that the storyline sucked with the whole wife/daughter/bane in the hole-in-the-ground story. And I didn't care much for the army of Batmobiles and Batmobile gunship either, but I gotta say that Wayne has an impressive military budget.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-01-16 18:13:47 UTC
I thought bane was poison ivy's pet
Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-16 18:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cooyaw
Rain6639 wrote:
I thought bane was poison ivy's pet


Thats more what i was expecting, I really didn't see how this all worked out in canon or whatever.

I won't say i thought it was crap, but there were some really bad moments, such as "thats what that feels like" and the mirada tate death scene.... how in gods name that horrible performance got into the final cut i have no clue. I also think the hole in the ground in the middle of ???? where the hell was that? mexico? arabia? and WHEN did they transport batman there? they just kind of mush it all together. I get the overcoming self thing, totally understand. I mean they establish that throughout the whole movie, in fact, it pretty much IS the whole movie.

the pace just seemed, idk, like a sludge factory
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#11 - 2013-01-16 19:22:24 UTC
I don't know anything about Bane being a pet for anyone honestly. I'm assuming this is in regards to Batman and Robin back in '97. I barely survived Batman Forever with 10% of my brain cells still intact and just couldn't bring myself to watch another abomination.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#12 - 2013-01-16 19:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
I don't pay attention to any of these 'reboots' or 're-imaginings' or whatever they want to call them. It's corporate boardroom garbage based on past sales figures, and nothing more.

Customers, and those capable of writing original movies, deserve better.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-01-16 21:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Relevent

Still its the second best Batman film made to date right after this one
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-01-16 22:53:27 UTC
I... enjoy any movie with a feel good ending and a high budget

Anne Hathaway as a temptress in tight black leather helps

Scarlett Johansson in tight black leather

Halle Berry in tight black leather

Halle Berry again in tight black leather.... Twisted
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#15 - 2013-01-17 01:22:56 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
I... enjoy any movie with a feel good ending and a high budget


Well, why stop at batman 7. Let's take it all the way to 30.

In fact, every action movie should now feature batman. New protagonists are too risky.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-01-17 04:06:37 UTC
Cooyaw wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the series ends this way.



I found it hard to believe how Mr. Nolan's "Inception" ended that way.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-17 04:17:47 UTC
This version makes more sense, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMPZ7WeDck
Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-17 15:46:07 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
This version makes more sense, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMPZ7WeDck



HAHAHAHAH
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#19 - 2013-01-18 01:00:37 UTC
Go figure people who play Eve don't like it when someone takes something they think they understand and they do something thought provoking and...egads...different.

No theme parks, just pablum please!
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-01-18 02:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
Nexus Day wrote:
Go figure people who play Eve don't like it when someone takes something they think they understand and they do something thought provoking and...egads...different.

No theme parks, just pablum please!

I spit on you *spit* *spit* *spit* lol

Come on though... thought provoking? Get out of here, hipster... Blink before I even think about that kind of crap the movie should be realistic or at least have interesting dialogue, characters and plotting. The least it could have is decent eye candy and action sequences, but to be honest the moronic brawls in TDKR are akin to Stallone in that one Rocky movie (never mind comparing them to what an action film SHOULD look like by today's standards)... Straight

Thought provoking! Just straight up Laugh Out Loud... to be honest though, it did make me think, I thought "man movies are **** today..."

Although to be absolutely fair, those "Honest Trailers" seem rather dedicated to making the films look bad, even in places where they shouldn't, while basically not mentioning the best parts in the film (such as the climax).

:)
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