EVE General Discussion

There is an actual problem with this suggestion though. Planets move at something like 30km/sec. EVE ships have this ridiculous speed limit that stops them doing much over 8km/sec. Unless the ship physics is also made realistic you would never be able to catch a planet to do an orbital bombardment.

How would you notice the planet was even orbiting the star? Without sitting thre watchging it for days on end? Granted some planets move incredibly fast around their sun, so those would obviously be noticable.

Planets with slower orbits wouldn't really be that observable without sitting in a fixed positing in space for days, watching the plaent as it moves away or towards you.

It's not just the stat that's fixed. The station that uses the planet to hold it in place is also fixed. A planet that doesn't have an excessively fast orbit wouldn't appear to be moving much at all, as long as your position is always relative; which it would be.

Relative to the plaent or relative to the structure locked to the planet. As long as one of those things is your point of reference, you wouldn't be able to percieve any noticable movement around the sun itself.

The sun itself wouldn't really be the reference point you'd need. You would have to fix yourself to a point near the sun, that is stationary. I don't think you can fix your self to a point in space like that though. You would have to use another body, and as long a that body is spinning I don't think you'd be able to fix yourself in an entirely station position, because you use the body itself as your "anchor", which means constantly adjusting a point on that body to maintain a position.

And it's alos technically not possible to "stand still" in space. You will always move, eventually developing an orbit and rotation of your own, and if another smaller object is near by, you'll eventually orbit each other. Nothing in space is stationary, even if it your perception is that you're "standing still" you're always moving.

I don't think it would work the way you want.

You would always end up in the same relative postition in space, based upon the bodies used to get that position. Just like the planets would be moving, so to would your "fixed" position in space.

It is impossible to get a location using only the sun. You need something like 4 "fixed" points in space to plot a location, and again, that location is always relative to the bodies use to get it.

If you bookmark yourself at position X, using bodies A, B, C, and D, it shouldn't matter that those bodies are moving, you'll always end up at a point near those bodies, just in a different part of space.

I think you would also use distand stars, not local ones and their planets.

Gain?

Why did you make new turrets? Why do missiles now launch from launchers instead of the middle of the ship?
Why do drones have models when few people ever zoom in on them?
Why did you make new nebula backgrounds? Why do we have 4 different Captain's Quarters? Why did you redo the character creator? Why V3 (or V-anything) the ships? Why does Eve have music? Why do POS shields have that weird pulse effect? Why is there a glorified acid-trip when our ships are in warp? Why did you add a brand new effect for jump drives?

The "gain" would be "it looks cool" or "adds realism/emersion."

And honestly is it really that hard to have everything operate in an rotational reference frame relative to the nearest celestial body? How hard is it to have all structures, ships, bookmarks, drones, wrecks, hell just the entire GRID, orbit around a moon/planet/star? All bookmarks/anchor points out to a certain distance from a moon/planet could be written as a function of radial distance, and angle in two dimensions, and then when someone warps to it a grid is created at the appropriate location based on the current position of that rotational reference frame. Or something. I used to know this stuff but it's amazing how much math one can forget.

After all, Eve isn't about "Why?", it's about "Why not?" :)

A Jet Propulsion Lab Award For The Most Shiny Simulator For Their Wannabe Employees - maybe. Hardly an award as an MMO game, or a game at all.

Or, depending on a specific system and planet, for a part of that century or millennium..

I would personally like to see astral bodies have rotation. Not orbit though.

I wouldn't mind being able to sit ouside a station and actually see the planet rotate ever so slightly. Then if you warp to the planet that rotation wouldn't be visible as you would then use a point on the planet itself to afix yourself in space, at which point you'd technically be rotating with the planet.

It does't have to be an actual rotation though. They already have cloud paterns and such that can be seen moving on the surface. The land, however, is always the same when I look a the planet.

This would probably be more work than it's worth, but would be "cool" to see.

I also wouldn't mind if moons had an orbit around planets.
Where can you sit at one planet and see another though? The only time I ever see a planet is when I'm at a station in orbit around it, and you woudln't be able to percieve it moving because you would technically be moving right along with it.

Space is 3-dimensional, so you would need 3 coordinates relative to some specific reference point. Using the star and a Cartesian coordinate system, any given point in a system would given by a specific distance from the star in a direction X, another distance from the star in a direction Y orthogonal (perpendicular) to X, and another distance from the star in a direction Z orthogonal to both X and Y.

There are other coordinate systems one could use, cylindrical being the most intuitive with the way EVE is set up, but they all only require a single reference point.

Hooray geometry!

Up until DUST was released to Tranquility, all planets did rotate.

To address other points brought up in the thread, once you warp to a planet you would be considered "in orbit". Like our own satellites in orbit around the Earth there would be no danger of needing to "catch up".

As to the point?
Well, beyond an enhanced sense of realism it would also have some interesting if subtle effects on our tactics.
Insta undocks would probably need to be handled differently, although those may still be okay in relation to the stations they were made for depending on how the grid works.
That station that was a convenient short hop to the gate may eventually be on the other side of the system, or that asteroid belt you prefer may be a lot closer to a gate than you feel entirely comfortable with now.


The easy way to do this (relatively speaking) would be to update the planet and moon positions at downtime, which might be the most workable way to implement this.

I think all planets do rotate except temperate planets. Temperate planets use to rotate, but that was turned off for Dust. It would rotate the districts away from the in-space areas we need to be at to connect to a district.