Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was thinking about this today after seeing mining bots again on eve.

1) A timer of some sort between 2 hours and 3 hours.

2) A button that will appear at random on the GUI screen. (This so it can not be done by a bot prog)

3) This button will have a timer say 15 mins to allow PVPer`s the time to press it OR

3a) The timer only being on mining barges (if that type of coding can be done)

Any Comments or improvements please post them.


I for one am sick of bots!.

Let the WAR BEGIN!

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With as advanced as bot coding is, it's very difficult to fight them, as they look like a normal person playing to software analysis. Add into that, most bots in professional RMT companies are actually monitored by a real person. Bot hunting would require real-time eyes-on by CCP, and I don't see that happening soon.

This anti-bot program would hopefully be something as simple as a prerecorded script --->" #run at #interval for #time" sort of thing which could be tagged right into the client during the next update AND would cover all EVE players. I'm sorry but mining for 10-20m/hour is killing this game. Most botters have purchased mining bots "Aka using RMT" which is against the rules, and I'm pretty sure we'd all be better off if ores were worth mining. Everyone says "But the market will go up by like a million" it might spike for a short time, but it would rebalance with all of the mission runners who sell their loot and the Indy guys who make stuff. If burn jita can go off without a hitch, I think massive PVP fleets shouldn't have a problem having a battle that lasts less than the 2-3 hour window. Anyone else feel like bringing their "Logic" against this idea?

The problem is actually doing it. Sure, you can throw your hands up and say "just code it", but bot programs have gotten sophisticated enough that they're undetectable by software analysis. That means, the risk of false positive is too high, compared to the hit rate. There are bots out there that operate in random fashion, use random delayed "clicks", warp around like humans, and some can even respond when prompted.

Good "bot control" requires frequent, eyes-on checking of suspect players. It's expensive in manhours and $$$.

as it could be tied in to the coding for strip miners then it would only affect that.

that was my original comment, ive noticed a dev has made a similar mention to that in past few days in the NPC Ai thread about how they want to decrease number of rats in a mission site, but buff their stats. I feel the two should go hand in hand together.

Ok, so bot mining brings in about 15m an hour. And your not so well thought out plan at least tries to deal with the scroat sacks, but how much does bot missioning bring in? How does fopcusing on strip miners help with that?

The amount made with bot mining is peanuts, compared to mission bots. 10-20mil an hour vs something like 400-500mil.

Got to start some where, i dont really care how people make money in Eve, as long as its a human, otherwise, id just petition for CCP to make me a special mission drone class ultra, that i could send out that did missions for me and isks came running in... what they make and how much these botters make is not the issue, the issue is that its against the principles of the game...

It makes me kid of sad that there are people this articulate about what they want with so little understanding of what it is they want.

1. anything you can code to fight bots, can and will annoy real players.
while this is not saying that you shouldn't think of ideas to fight bots, you cant seriously expect the game to be designed to be a pain in the ass doing basic things for real people at their keyboard. Anything you can think of that will fight bots will also fight players. seemingly nice on paper but terrible in action.

2. I just love random **** appearing on my screen. I mean that was the success of popup ads that stole focus right? cause people loved them? lets introduce more of them to a game that already has a few (which are fairly universally reviled) and make it for the most boring profession of them all.

3. What happens after the 15 minutes?
3a. what does this do to legitimate players semi afking ice?

to J ThreeTears

1. some people afk cloak for weeks. alt accounts that just sit and watch for things to happen in local.

2. "but every bot has to buy 2 or more plex per month with isk. 1 to keep the account going and a second one (or more) for resale for IRL money. CCP is losing massive ammounts of money because of this."
- How does bot purchase of plex hurt CCP income streams?
- Character/account sales outside of CCP jurisdiction is a violation of the EULA, and TOS, shutting them down has little to do with in game bots. as they happen out of game.
2a. "Which means that 14 day trial guy will make a MAX of about 100-200m isk."
-which, when the bots keep prices down means he can buy far more things then he can use, replace every ship he can skill to fly and their fittings several times over. And most likely, lose them several times as well. Why would the player be dissatisfied with a game that allowed him to easily replace assets?

3. When a game has a free to play component its anti bot measures must be more stringent, but that does not mean that every anti bot measure employed by Runescape has and corollary or utility to the eve programming setup.

4. This already happens. there is a team that does this now in EVE.

5. I am not familiar with how Blizzard works its micro transactions, but i doubt that that would do anything for practical mining or anti bot software.


"I'm sorry but mining for 10-20m/hour is killing this game."
"I'm pretty sure we'd all be better off if ores were worth mining."
wut?

"I think massive PVP fleets shouldn't have a problem having a battle that lasts less than the 2-3 hour window"
You have never been in a CTA fleet. TiDi popups? wonderful.

one last thought -
"Everyone says "But the market will go up by like a million" it might spike for a short time, but it would rebalance with all of the mission runners who sell their loot and the Indy guys who make stuff."

mission loot nerfed (less drops and no more meta 0 mods means less minerals from loot, not counting the drop in mission runner bots snot selling loot anymore)
Where are the indy guys getting their minerals to build stuff?you think there are enough people who want to mine nonafk/fight popups to fulfill the demand for minerals?