EVE General Discussion

CCP are not abandoning Incarna, but they are delaying it. And sadly, I think they have to. I do want to see the vision realised but it is clearly not ready yet and CCP need to take more time to work on and refine their concept for what the gameplay value actually is.

In the meantime, EVE's existing core gameplay is in desperate need of attention. Lingering problems have been left to fester for far too long and they are approaching a critical mass. EVE has significant balance issues that needed to be addressed a full year ago, they are now reaching a point where they must be dealt with.

Null sec has been stagnating for a long time. Super capital proliferation (and the power of these ships) is killing null sec and getting worse all the time. The sov mechanics need to be revisted as they simply are not much fun. There are may sub capital balancing issues that lead to whole ship classes being largely irrelevant. When it comes to balancing existing ships/items/features these are relatively 'cheap' changes in development terms. Balancing blasters requires no new art or programming work but could make many ships into viable options again. Balancing capitals can hugely change the null sec (and low sec) dynamics but again need no art and relatively little programming.

Those art/programming resources can (in theory) continue to be used to develop Incarna in the background while much needed fixes are applied to existing EVE content. I think that is CCP's game plan at the moment, with 2 possible exceptions; Factional Warfare and Starbases. Depending on their ambitions for the winter release there may be some heavy lifting in these areas for art teams and underlying game code.

EVE needs a damn good tidy up to address key flaws that are alienating the existing player base and would impact on new players as well. Incarna will benefit from extra time as what we have seen so far has felt rushed. A strong release next year will be better than a disappointing release this year. And a release cycle of fixing and polishing existing content may go a long way towards restoring confidence in CCP's ability to deliver the experience we all hope for.

CCP needs to work on WiS so I can keep my spaceheater running, winter is comming and it getting cold!

I am just thinking of all the heat 10 people would make if just me alone is a nice stress on my system...

Gona be -20 out and I'll have windows open just to play eve! Fresh air FTW!

I think its a mistake.



I mean honestly with how poorly optimized, generic, and buggy CQ is. Why would you want those Devs working on FiS?

It is now very common to get less than 30k members logged in. It used to be very common to have over 40k. This drastic drop in actively logged in players is due to ignoring the desires of their existing customers. Where are all these new customers that came here for WiS. They are not here.

Because fixing the CQ doesn't serve any purpose until Incarna is released, and until then, the return of the hangar view (a much simpler and more efficient and effective route) solves the optimisation issues while still leaving plenty of room for improvements to the core gameplay and to long-lasting issues that should have been addressed years ago.

It would be like sprucing up the window sills when the window itself is bricked up and while the rest of the house is falling apart: the sill serves no purpose without the actual window, and knocking a hole in the wall to provide that purpose might not be the best idea considering the reinforcements the wall itself could use…

I don't think you got what I meant.

Bad troll bait is bad

I am making an alt and targeting Sofia Bellard with every ISK scam there is because I now know who is the stupidest player in EVE.

Either that or a clever troll..... sadly I think it is the former.

You have got to be ******* KIDDING ME. This is the 3rd time I have hit "post" and the page simply reloads and deletes the small novel I wrote. But, it's part my fault; that's what the Clipboard is for. [insert obscene mutterings here]




Let me try and recreate this:

I've expressed this opinion before, but here it goes again.
Back when Apocrypha was released, we got the first real announcement regarding WiS: it was out of the conceptual phase. That doesn't sound like much, but to me it was progress, and I was thrilled. But right now, what we have is not what was promised, primarily because it's incomplete. Some, like myself, can look at a project in piecemeal and take it for what it is without issue. But many, and they are justified in this, feel they should not have an unfinished project thrown at them. We pay to play, not playtest. That's different, and people get paid for that. If you do want to play test, that's what Singularity and Duality are for. Also, in a world where cloning is commonplace and FTL travel is the norm, what I know of humanity tells me that fashion did not fall to the wayside. We need more stuff on the NEX, reasonably priced. And then there were Establishments. That got pushed back, to my dismay. I want my virtual space beer, CCP. WHERE IS MY VIRTUAL SPACE BEER!?

This next part is very important, so pay attention:

Flying in Space is, was, and forever will be the core of EVE. When I first started playing, a T2 battleship might as well have been the Flying Dutchman. I was never going to get into one. The people who flew those were all years old. That might be a bit exaggerated, but I was a n00b back then. I can't remember the price numbers, but they were far more respected than they are today. We didn't have incursions (read: money presses). WH were just being introduced in Apocrypha, and T3 ships came shortly after (an FiS addition). It was a smash. It was the precursor to Incursions really; fleet based PvP. There were and are people who can solo Sleepers, but most do it with fleets. The next expansion I wasn't around for. I started up again shortly after Incursion came out. Another FiS addition. Great stuff. It did contribute to inflation, but that was an unfortunate by-product of giving carebears a chance to fleet up in hisec.

But, now, a lot of players feel/felt disenfranchised with the current state of affairs, in no small part because FiS has not been receiving the strange, slightly perverted techie love that it deserves. And now many have left. By making FiS fun again, everyone benefits: Miners mine more (they always did that - mining was the original money press). Ratters rat more. Missioners mission more. PvPers fight more. Campers camp more (stationary targets are always a good thing). Explorers explore more. WH fleets WH fleet more. The results are good for everyone: salvage, loot, more salvage and more loot. Prices go down, and we have an EVE again. And best of all, we start seeing some worthwhile news from the Correspondent. Because the original draw of EVE for me, besides the internet spaceships, was that the story wasn't centered around some king I've never met or heard of who came back from the dead to do some such or another. The story was written ENTIRELY BY PLAYERS SIMPLY PLAYING THE GAME. Sovereignty change = news. POS assault = news. Hostile Takeovers and Bloodless Coups=news. Best. Story. EVAR.

TL;DR
I love what Incarna could be. I simply like what it is, though. We pay to play, not playtest. That's what the test servers are for. FiS is the most important. It needs love. FiS becomes fun again, and everything gets better. Internet Spaceships are SERIOUS BUSINESS



****EDIT****
In the hanagars, now, it's not just an empty void. I actually see a hangar. That's pretty cool.

I was disapointed with the nex store -- the thing i like about ccp is that they are different then the other mmo companies out there so I expected that the nex door would be different then your usual real money market. IMO the nex store should not sell finsihed items, only unique limited run bpc and componets for items. That way a player can buy a bpc on the market then come into eve and create the items which then go onto the eve/dust market place where they can be bought and traded in the usual manner for isk. This way the players become invested in the items sold on the nex market as there is a mechanism for players to participate and profit from the sale of items that originated in the nex store.