EVE General Discussion

If it's QR you're talking about then no, that's not really what happened…
Funny thing that: FIS is the sandbox. WiS doesn't even offer a bucket and spade — it's all theme park window shopping.

Well no kidding, the we don't want it stop what you are doing left us with CQ.
Kind of hard to play in a sandbox if you don't let them put in the sand.

No. Go back to WoW/Second Life/Sims.

And this is why WiS can never be implemented cause no matter how many times they try to appease FiS people they'll always say how WiS is not needed and how it doesn't fit a Sci-Fi game theme. These people are Zealots..

And don't know what in the hell they are talking about.. To be a fully implemented Sci-Fi simulator all parts of interaction would be needed. FiS is only ONE part of this game it does not in anyway make up the entirety of EVE. It is a the biggest chunk, but that does not warrent it to being the only part in this game.

One can only get so imearsed into a ship, You have no real respresentation of yourself. That's what WiS was supposed to bring us. It's not just fluff or barbie-dolls in space. There was a purpose to WiS, getting people out of their ships and giving them the chance to immearse themselves even further into EVE's rich background.

Star Trek had some WiS right.. Star Wars has some WiS.. Aliens had WiS ...Starship Troopers WiS... Battlestar Gallactica WiS right.. Predetors WiS right.. Hell Red Dwarf even had WiS and they stayed in ONE damn ship the whole series..

All of them bonofied Sci-Fi Universes all of them with some form of WiS.. So people that say a Sci-Fi simulator based on spaceships doesn't have some form of WiS and interacting with the others of the universe in a variety of WiS settings are just being ignorant...

I'd like to say though that CCP switching directions on Incarna to refocus on the actual working parts of EVE such as FiS is not bad.. The bad part was the deception up to this point. If they had just been real 6 or even 3 months ago. They would be past the flack they are recieving now. Most that are upset much like myself are not upset at the fact they are switching directions.

Its' the fact that they acted like nothing was "wrong" with Incarna up to this point other than some over-heating issues and final touches to establishments. Up till a week ago, we were in the belief that even tho Incarna might of been no so luster and a little broken without fully implented establishments that it would at least work.

That is not the case.. It's broken completely and has been broken the entire time. WIth every development post the DEVs blog on about it success and improvements. EACH of those were lies, they gave the impression of success not of the impending doom of WiS as it is just not possible at this phase of EVE in general from the technological standpoint.

Because Incarna would be great for EVE outside of Tech specs.

Non-sequitor!

WiS might be an important addition to Eve, eventually. But, if it kneecaps FiS, then one must ask, "What is the point of WiS?". Development of WiS should not be at the expense of FiS. The entire time that CCP was talking up WiS, all the years, they should have been developing it to be a functional addition to Eve. Instead, what we got, was a decision to develop it back in January, it's release 6mos later, shoddy code obsoleting some systems, killing others, bringing yet other's to their knees, poor performance on systems capable of running it and adequate performance on top of the line boxes and ONE ROOM WITH ONE PERSON encompassing all of 2 minutes of explorable content while advancement in FiS has has been stunted for almost 2 years.

So yeah, any comments in support of WiS while ignoring the realities of FiS is by definition a troll.

they won't throw away incarna crap, they are just started to focus more on the next stuff


incarna literally was not an expansion. in winter you will get the other CQs... maybe next winter u can leave the station and have a conference room with up to 8 people
maybe in 5 years you can enter a station and see 50 other people. the requirments of CQ alone justify waiting until the adverage computer catches up.

next, some things in FIS have been broken for a long time. its time to fix it. if incarna is the backside of each expansion everyone will be happy. but we never want to see

oh yea FIS gets nothing here is incarna please buy $70 monocle.

Once FIS is in a good state I will support WIS 100% but when the game is in such a broken state with major glaring issues I will not put any support behind WIS. Also when they do return to working on WIS if it is implemented as broken as it currently is I will vocally shout how they wasted all this time for 4 room, and a single player experience in a MMO.

WIS should be developed but not at the expense of FIS which is what has seemed to happen. This is why I believe most people are angry with WIS.

Not being able to get even 20 people in the same room without melting a setup is nuts and completely unacceptable for ANY MMO.

If a Playstation 2 could do it for EverQuest Online Adventures a game even OLDER than EVE is.. That was an MMO on a console system and it worked and looked good... Then I don't know what to say..

I'm sure Blizzard/Trion/Bioware are all having a field day laughing at the ineptitude of CCP to actually build it right..

fcuk incarna is my personal view. incarna would have added something to eve if it was the same as the fanfest 05/06 vision. what we got was so far from that. it adds nothing to eve in its current state. 4 rooms and maybe a bar, woopy that was 6 years work down the drain.

i hope they go back to space ships and dont touch wis for a long long time