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Cloaky camping should remain untouched forever, or buffed.

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Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#1 - 2013-01-16 01:37:35 UTC
Since eve is about balance and being able to counter anything with some combination, and is against afk playing 23/7 using macros or anything allowing you to be afk, I propose cloaky camping be labeled by ccp as officially unnerfable, and ossibly requiring a buff.

Why
1) I want to be able to be untouchable except if i forget to scout a bubble, period, with no exception. It would not be fun for me to be able to be caught any more than the bs that I already have that risk. Cloaking should probably make me ewar immune on covops class ships as well cloaked or not.
2) i want to be able to passively and invincibly scout everywhere, and if i find a juicy target i should let my cyno alt warp to me to i can kill it without revealing myself EVERY TIME, because eve is about balance, and that is fair for me.
3) local should be nerfed so not only can i not be caught, they shouldnt know im there
4) cloaks should work when logging off/on so i can afk camp people at my leisure in their space without needing to activate my modules, after all it's already too much work. .
5) Like macro miners, I should be able to play afk. Sure macro miners can die, but cloakies are cloaked and therefore should remain invincible.
6)CCP Should never nerf small ships, thats what titans are for.
7) I want to be able to stay cloaked in bubbles, seriously why should I have to be vulnerable to anything cloaked? It isn't fair.
8) Macro mining is bannable because its afk playing, but cloaking requires setup at the start of the day, meaning its different because it isnt macro mining.

Why not
1) if you think cloakies are too op just because they are invincible and fill a role 23/7 that can be unmatchable by any ingame tactic as long as they're afk, you obviously are a carebear and/or noob ... or don't know that cloakies one weakness of jumping into bubbles is a weakness enough. After all you can bait them... or quit eve. Good enough counter imho.



Petition any gm and when they agree with my stance on why we should be allowed to do this even better than before, post it here so maybe we can finally get cloaked buffs letting us shoot while cloaked. Because the utilities mentioned above arent enough for me, and shouldn't be enough for you.

Eve is about balance, and this , as long as used by and for me, is balanced.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#2 - 2013-01-16 01:38:59 UTC
Is someone cloaky camping your favourite ratting system?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-16 01:41:36 UTC
Is this about AFK cloakers? They're AFK, they're not even playing the game. Why are you worried about them?

CCP has no sense of humour.

Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#4 - 2013-01-16 01:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Iminent Penance
EI Digin wrote:
Is someone cloaky camping your favourite ratting system?


Nah, I dont rat muc.. But glad you agree with me!

Some Rando wrote:
Is this about AFK cloakers? They're AFK, they're not even playing the game. Why are you worried about them?


Read the title :P. Either works for me, got a few alts doing it now not even paying attention to em.
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgoge rychwyrndrob
In Praise Of Shadows
#5 - 2013-01-16 01:42:14 UTC
This is an English only forum.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#6 - 2013-01-16 01:48:09 UTC
Again...

Wouldn't be better to open a specific forum section for "afk cloackers" topics?

Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#7 - 2013-01-16 01:49:28 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Again...

Wouldn't be better to open a specific forum section for "afk cloackers" topics?



Yes. But CCP has nothing to say on cloaky campers so general discussion is fine, just make sure they know we approve.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-16 01:51:49 UTC
Iminent Penance wrote:
just make sure they know we approve.

Oh, we certainly do approve. AFK cloaky campers never hurt anyone.

CCP has no sense of humour.

Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#9 - 2013-01-16 01:58:02 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Iminent Penance wrote:
just make sure they know we approve.

Oh, we certainly do approve. AFK cloaky campers never hurt anyone.


Well, much ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#10 - 2013-01-16 01:59:02 UTC
I agree. Leave it untouched forever.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

FourierTransformer
#11 - 2013-01-16 02:00:58 UTC
This again? Standard reply:

1) An ~AFK~ cloaker never killed anyone.
2) It is possible to catch cloaky in a number of ways, specifically:
a) bubbles + competent tackle (honestly, just competent tackles has a decent chance of working)
b) Instalocking frigs, destroyers, and T3's. Due to the fact that eve server does everything in 1s increments, if your ship has a lock time less than 1 second against the cloakies hull, its even money whether they're able to cloak or not if you initiate the lock attempt when they appear out of gate cloak. The cloaky has a delay when decloaking before they can recloak, and a delay between when they send the cloak signal to the server and when the server receives it.
c) decloak cans at 10-12k around gate.


Tl,dr: HTFU and adapt.
Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#12 - 2013-01-16 02:47:07 UTC
FourierTransformer wrote:
This again? Standard reply:

1) An ~AFK~ cloaker never killed anyone.
2) It is possible to catch cloaky in a number of ways, specifically:
a) bubbles + competent tackle (honestly, just competent tackles has a decent chance of working)
b) Instalocking frigs, destroyers, and T3's. Due to the fact that eve server does everything in 1s increments, if your ship has a lock time less than 1 second against the cloakies hull, its even money whether they're able to cloak or not if you initiate the lock attempt when they appear out of gate cloak. The cloaky has a delay when decloaking before they can recloak, and a delay between when they send the cloak signal to the server and when the server receives it.
c) decloak cans at 10-12k around gate.


Tl,dr: HTFU and adapt.



In other words cloaking is fine, and you agree. Keep it simple :P
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-16 03:26:15 UTC
While we are discussing boosting cloaking, CCP should make it so I can lock and activate modules/ weapons without decloaking. It is rather unfair that my targets can defend themselves. I mean what's the use of cloaking if I can't use it in combat?
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#14 - 2013-01-16 07:14:44 UTC
Posting in another poorly disguised "nerf AFK cloaking" thread.

Next! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#15 - 2013-01-16 09:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Iminent Penance
Xen Solarus wrote:
Posting in another poorly disguised "nerf AFK cloaking" thread.

Next! Cool


If you think cloaking needs nerfing, you're just a macro miner who doesnt know the many ways to target a cloak camper, and that's your fault not mine. Don't disgrace this legitimate thread with your pathetic attempts at demeaning the pros of fair cloaking

Mire Stoude wrote:
While we are discussing boosting cloaking, CCP should make it so I can lock and activate modules/ weapons without decloaking. It is rather unfair that my targets can defend themselves. I mean what's the use of cloaking if I can't use it in combat?


I wouldnt mind being able to make cynos while cloaked too.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2013-01-16 09:58:46 UTC
Yea while local remains the 100%, risk free, instant intel tool it is now, cloaks should not be touched.

Amidoitrite?




(also posting in a veiled nerf AFKing thread)

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#17 - 2013-01-16 11:09:43 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Yea while local remains the 100%, risk free, instant intel tool it is now, cloaks should not be touched.

Amidoitrite?




(also posting in a veiled nerf AFKing thread)



No, cloaking should remove your name from local.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#18 - 2013-01-16 11:16:15 UTC
Remove cloaking, it was always a bad idea, similar to supercaps.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Yabba Addict
Legion of the Many
#19 - 2013-01-16 11:27:07 UTC
Mire Stoude wrote:
While we are discussing boosting cloaking, CCP should make it so I can lock and activate modules/ weapons without decloaking. It is rather unfair that my targets can defend themselves. I mean what's the use of cloaking if I can't use it in combat?


I see you
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-16 11:43:49 UTC
Iminent Penance wrote:
No, cloaking should remove your name from local.

No it shouldn't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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