EVE General Discussion

yes because jumping supercaps staged for a regional deployment to reinforce a station in range is an example of "power projection"

that's "working as intended" hope this helps

So they used supercaps to do something subcaps can do, only faster.
Okay?

Is a fun buzzword. What do you want to do with power projection, and what are the goals of those changes that you want to make?

Sentences require V-e-r-b-s.



My corp has 130 members, is blue with nobody but PL (who's deployed halfway across the galaxy from us), and couldn't blob anyone if we tried.

But you haven't made any sort of coherent argument. I'm assuming you're argument is something like "power projection is bad," in which case you need to answer "Why?" and "What benefit does nerfing it generate, and who accrues that benefit?"

Do you want an honest discussion, or do you want more exposure to watch the buzzards feed? And yes, Sentences require verbs. Explanations do not, as proven by your blues.

But to entertain the notion, let's take for instance the ability to hold Sov, and having a huge alliance. What's the purpose of it? To make money, to create your own sov corner of the world right? You use diplomacy, you promise to defend, you promise to help attack, etc etc.

So one of those tactics are "We will help you, and don't worry that we are 35 jumps away, we can be there in 45 minutes with 2,000 strong" (I'm giving a rough example of course!).

And sure enough, your blue asks for help. Within 2 hours you are all ready to go pos bashing, hot drop, provide support/triage/reps whatever. This isn't just supercaps or titans. This is also cynos etc (Trying to talk about power projection here).

So now, with this huge army (using alts or not is moot since we are talking about logged in accounts, not players) you have just proven that you can accomplish what you promised. Perfect! You did it! Now you have another ally proven.

Fast forward a bit.

Now you have 10,000 pilot strong army and can be anywhere (proven, and again "projected") within a very short while. Now who is to stop you? People want your help, they want your money (tech, whatever resource), they don't want to be attacked by you.

Diplomacy. Very cool. Fear tactics, Blob mentality, whatever spin you want to put on it.

Whether you choose to continue to use those objects to project your power or not is not for me to decide obviously, but I can see you have used it, and COULD continue to use it.

Is it fair? Yes it is. It's yours, not mine.

Am I whining about it? No I am not. I entered this game after many many many people have been here already.

Am I bothered by the fact I read posts about "we are here for the greater good" at the same time saying "I'm here to post so you get mad and shoot me" yes I am.

Is there a way to stop it? No there isn't. It is not "newcomer" friendly. It isn't. No matter what spin you put on it. It isn't. You have to join a "larger group" as stated by quite a few people here. Ok fair enough. Thems the ropes.

But then try to tell me nullsec is about empire building and not about combat by the same people doing nothing but actively seeking combat and then adopting a high horse attitude about it? Bad player there. And that is generated by the current methods employed.

So, would I like to see some changes to null? Sure, why not. Can't compete with it as it anyways.

If you would rather have me believe (or don't care, your choice) what other people say about making null more attractive, well, sounds like your work is cut out for you then. Because time and time again will prove that what you say and what you do are entirely different, and will lose credibility in regards to making me even want to go out to null since I'd rather make arrangements with someone I could trust and would have atleast a common ground.

If that ends up being a case where it isn't in the cards for me, so be it, I've tried every other sector of space to get a taste to help fit in where it's fun. Null doesn't bother me, I actually quite like it. I think it could be truly great and fun. But the current mentality is more troll in nature than I think it should be, and that hurts the community.

And that, is a godamn shame.

Wait, so what part of that wall of text had anything to do with jump drives?

Let me help:


This is a stupid idea, and won't ever be put in the game, its just stupid, that is all. Its so completely devoid of game knowledge that its beyond ******** to the point of being stupid.


Like seriously, how would you ever siege dreads on a pos? What you need to bring 20 cyno's in to siege a dickstar pos with 40 dreads?

Do you even play this game?

Imagine POS-based sovereignty mechanics with such a system. Joy :v:

More like small alliances will suffer. But that's fine, right? I mean they already are in a terrible state, making their non-blue list existence in nullsec more hellish is fine as long as it inconveniences PL a little bit.

PL or any other large group would do fine. It would be a pain, but you can have people jump carriers in, ghostride into kestrels, and have the kestrels blapped each time the cyno's 2 entering ships limit is used up. Not difficult at all. Requires you to bring a fairly substantial Carrier fleet in addition to your dread fleet to the POS bash, but that's not a problem for well funded, large (CFC) and/or highly organized groups (PL).

Less well funded Smaller groups would have much more trouble doing that.

Which just reinforces the overarching message of this thread; that nerfing cynos, jump drives, etc. would hurt smaller groups far more than it would hurt larger, better funded groups.

i can only provide you with one thing which you will call "whine of looser"

but why the hell?

It happened when some players group (which name should not be used on public) decided to start Delve 2012. I was in Red Alliance at that point of time.

One quite evening i and other people were just spending time sitting in 319- station, chatting, watching pron and stuff. And then.....
some unknown ship lighted cyno next to undock. Few more moments and 319- station was totally blocked by hundreds of ships... Dreds/carriers/supers/titans.... People tried to organize some fight, got like 100-150 ships in fleet (once again: it was just another boring evening without any actions planned), undocked and...... result is obvious.
That was begin of 1 week blockade of 319-.

I can't comment of PL effort spent to make this possible. I really like how they done it.

However i think there is something wrong with such invasion "from nowhere" by fleet of such an amazing size and power. Delve was alive that days (unlike of nowadays) but not one even noticed that something is happening before we got undock closed.