EVE General Discussion

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We'll give ships a "scan resolution" that gets smaller as the ship gets bigger, and then we'll make this complicated equation involving the hyperbolic arcsine where smaller scan resolution and smaller ships being targeted both increase the time it takes to lock a ship!

While Im generally in favour of increasing the size of the eve universe and encouraging alliances to actually live in the space they hold without taking systems hundreds of jumps away and actually helping improve the economy of the area they live in without going to the cesspit that is Jita everytime they want to sell something, I don't think reducing the numbers that can jump should be looked at this time. Jump clones are more of a problem regarding instantaneous travel, and personally I think they should just be restricted to the same station as a player with unlimited time use [maybe].

I think increasing the ways that cyno jammers can be deployed would be a better way of dealing with an overabundance of cyno warfare [such as a cyno jammer ship & being able to turn every pos [large?] into a cyno jammer], to cause some problems with your enemies jump freighting everywhere. This is not withstanding the role of capital ships in eve too of course and sovereignity as a whole.

Yes, I'm pretty sure originally the ships were designed without signature radius before implemented as well. You know, everyone with a slingshot and 1 pebble mentality.

Now you're catching on. It's called growth and you are either going to be happy with the way things are, or you aren't. Take a stance. Stop trolling.

There would be nothing wrong with reducing the effective range of a titan bridge.

Smaller groups just need to be very aware that such a change is going to have significantly more impact on their ability to survive in null than on the larger groups.

JFers are a REQUIRED in order for anyone to thrive in null, reducing there range doesn't benefit anyone or create any kind of balance between samll and large groups. (Balance that should not exist anyways.)

And if you nerf jump bridges they'd be useless. A single bridge only saves you a couple of jumps, and there is real logistics involved in setting them up already. Not to mention, anyone with half a brain can figure out were they ******* things are, and a small group can be an incredible nuasance in harrassing otherss when they do.

I'm not trolling. I'm sarcastically illustrating to you that what you're asking for already exists.

I'm happy with SOME things, and the ability to hot drop and be hot dropped is one of them. Frankly without it null would be a lot safer, and that's something I don't want.

The problem with supercaps is not only their devastating power projection capabilities, but the fact that they have proliferated to such an extent.

CCP, you last gave us a snapshot of supercap quantities in late May 2012.
I would very much like to see another snapshot today of quantities.

One thing of the reasons that CCP is loathe to reduce the capabilities of suprcaps is that they increase the sub rate dramatically.
The vast majority of supercaps have a char tied to them permanently.
For every 1000 supercaps in the game, you are likely looking at 400-800 accounts dedicated to supercap pilots. I am sure a number of accounts have both a supercap and "regular" pilot on them, so not a 1:1 ratio of accounts: supercaps, but still a significant amount of accounts service just the supercap, especially given how many months training are required to fly one well.

There was something like 3000 supercaps in the game late May 2012.
Given that CCP refuses to release any data on quantities now, it is impossible to say what the precise number is.
But given that alliances like PL can field more than 250 in a matter of an hour, and given their pilot base compared to the amount of pilots in all the other null sec alliances, it would seem likely that there are maybe 4500-6000 in the game today.

That means that there are maybe 3000 accounts in the game, dedicated to servicing supercap pilots.
I am not sure CCP is willing to nerf supercaps when that many accounts are involved.

You were the one who said that it's 100 vs 1000 in regards to a smaller group of players trying to get into null in response to me. You said it. Not me. You. I'm not twisting **** lol.

You also quite specifically listed highsec lowsec and null as being one part. I think it's around page 10. I'll go look for it.

Some of you guys seem to think that CCP can code against human nature. That they can inject a mechanic that negates any benefit that is gained by working together.

There is no mechanic that CCP can code that would ever allow a small group to claim space in null, and not have to work with the people around them.

Diplomacy can not be coded against or balanced by any mechanic.
High sec for your PvE
Low sec for your PvP
Null for diplomacy.

EVE in a nutshell.

Go to low for your small gang stuff, or roam null sec (people do that you know). Come to null and HELP build an empire.

Goonwaffe didn't build an empire alone, why do you guys think you should?
This is in the power projection thread(post #303), which is the same thing you are speaking of here (which we are both technically offtopic).

"How does making travel harder hurt 1000 people more than 100?

That is an absurdly illogical idea.

Tell us how 100 guys can defend their space and supply lines at the same time, easier than 1000 can.
They can't.

1000 people will always have the advantage over 100. This is a game.

Some people seem to have this absurd idea that "gorilla warfare" can be coded into a video game and work.
Null sec is cuba and you want to be Castro and Che?

Some things can't be translated into a game guys. "
(Post #284)

"CCP will never code a mechanic that allows 20 guys to take a system on a whim. They will always notify the sytem holder, and the holder will always be given the abillity to defend the system. Games with mechanics that allow you to flip ownership of something in off hours tend to fair poorly. " (Post #306) This is where you all of a sudden scale it down to 20 people.

It's context man. Your context. You want to try to trivialize things by making them seem more and more insignificant, and that's the undoing. We aren't taking about a small handful of people. We all know with an average of 35k-45k people logged in, couopled with few sov alliances fielding 1000s of pilots at a given time doesn't room for a force of like size to magically appear.

But in relation to the topic, it sure doesn't help to see that instead of being diplomatic (which I agreee with btw) being smarter, the "power projection problem" is that a fleet of "250 supercaps" shows up and defeats the "invading" force instead of trying those same said "diplomacies" you encourage.

And in that same discussion we had, I also reitrated how null isn't being treated as an empire building diplomatic entity by the simple fact that a station in null was bubbled and camped by goons, which benefitted nothing other than killmails.

That brought on the "wartorn" argument and how I was wrong, because I was the one ratting and doing anomalies in Stain, in my geddon, and foolishly tried racing to the dock instead of safing up. Might you, 6q is also a deadend pocket. No trade routes, no sov, and in a corner.

Phew.

Now that I've explained myself, can we go back to the topic on hand or would you prefer to lash out some more?

Nice math skills.

No sir,

You said I suggested that CCP put in an artificial limitter that governs the number of people that can engage another group. And I never ******* said.

I said, if you''ve only got 100 people and I have 1000, there is nothing CCP can do to make it "fair" for you. Nor should they.
You should be required to grow, not have mechanics designed specifically to give you an advantage because you're a smaller group. We would exploit the **** out of it. 500, 100 man Goonwaffe corps.

Goons did not get any special treatement or help from CCP to get where they are. They did it on their own, with the same tools you have available. That tools have even been made better then when goons used them to build their empire.


No ****, high sec isn't just PvE.
Null isn't just Diplomacy
And low isn't just small gang.

EVE in a NUTSHELL.
High sec = PvE
Low sec = small gang pvp
Null sec = diplomacy

In a NUTSHELL.

Stop trying to twist my words around and say I said things I never said.

Wow. Just wow.