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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#61 - 2013-01-15 11:38:17 UTC
Juno Valerii wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
The first thing I do when considering trying a new game is read their forums. I have been an active member of the forums of every game I've played since 1999. One trend I've noticed since the MMO explosion in 2003-2004 is a large percentage of socially awkward individuals who play MMO's solo. It's like they are on the outside looking in but cannot commit to the full experience of a thriving online community.

But then again, maybe most folks are casual players who log in and play for a couple hours a day then do other things, and never think about EVE for the rest of the night. Unfortunately I find myself wondering about whats going on in EVE when I'm not logged in, which leads me to visit forums. This 23/7 dynamic universe is unique (at least for me) in this way. I played EQ1 for 13 years and when I wasnt playing- I never thought twice about whats going on in Norrath. Its bizarre and unexplainable, could be gypsy magic Smile


I do the exact same thing. I lurked on these forums for a couple of weeks before I even made an account. I researched the commonly encountered problems for new players and the general vibe of those playing.

EVE seems to have an effect that most MMO's I've played simply don't. Like you I think about the game while I'm offline. Whether that's a subconscious side-effect of simply knowing that I've got skills training and there is activity while I'm off I don't know because I rarely thought about STO or LOTRO while offline.


It might also be that things are happening that (at least potentially) matter to you while you're offline. Wars are fought, trades are made, ore is mined, prices change, new FoTMs, stuff. EVE is one of the few MMOs that takes place in a genuinely persistent, real-time world. What can anyone do in STO or LOTRO while you're offline that matters a damb to you?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#62 - 2013-01-15 11:40:06 UTC
Forums are not bypassed because they are a minority sample. If it was just that, then we'd not see exit polls and other statistics, often times delivered on below 10% direct data samples.

What makes forums unsuitable for feedback / taking decisions is because they provide a bad quality of data sample, that is there's a massive amount of "noise" and a very realistic risk of adverse selection.

The noise bit is caused by not having a defined feedback topic, therefore if a company wants to know what went right with their latest patch they have to dig inside 99 patch irrelevant posts to find the 1 they want to see.

The adverse selection comes off because of two factors:

1) Many forum posters are over-passionate or are compulsive losers who don't have a serene point of view on the matters they discuss. I.e. the bad AFK miner will keep reporting how mining ships tanks are always too weak, how everything should be nerfed to let him AFK "in peace" and so on.

2) Others just follow their own likes, preferences, agendas and so on, skewing the feedback all the way to their "side". The effect is effectively amplified when several organized people share the same agenda. They can alt post or just coordinate their posting so to give a false sense of popularity for their idea and so on.

Now, sending private invites to feedback websites with pin pointed questions indeed mitigate (but not completley remove) the phenomenons above and give a somewhat more faithful feedback to the company.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#63 - 2013-01-15 11:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Most corp/alliance forums will only have a small % of people who are active, same goes for almost every other game. In the end some just don't like the wonderful and glorious atmosphere of ****** trolls, epeen waving, flaming, and just plain **** posting.


Edit: @CCP. Can you remove **** from the censored list . It would be much appreciated.

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#64 - 2013-01-15 12:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
It doesn't help that these forums take the wrong approach imo.

EVE is a a game with an older player base, it will always be that way, yet the forums are intended to be suitable for teenagers? It's hardly likely that anyone under the age of 18 actively reads these forums, much less under the age of 15.

At the moment the following things are moderated by a team of voulenteers:

1) "Off Topic" threads in the wrong forum
2) "Trolling"
3) Personal insults

However, these are moderated by deleting posts and locking threads. They SHOULD be dealt with by setting posters to read only and out right banning repeat offenders. Likewise it should be VERY obvious when someone has been banned or read only'd and why. Not only does this promote transparency but it also means that the community can see what is and what is not acceptable.

At the moment "bad posts" aren't moderated and whether they should be or not is a matter of personal preference, I prefer the SA type of moderation where terrible posters get read only'd for lacking the ability to use grammar or spelling. Moreso I think read-only bans for people starting repeat topics would be nice rather then seeing the usual "I have a problem let me ignroe the rest of this board and the 4 other topics on this issue and post my own so it looks important".

Seriously, start dishing out Read Onlys to the terrible posters on here and the people who fill the place with crap and it may help out.


EDIT: To clarify, the internet is full of irredeemable bad posters, you cultivate a good forum by not letting them post there while letting others repent and learn with a short sharp shock.

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-01-15 16:14:11 UTC
Sorlac wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
EvEa Deva wrote:
Takes to long to gather any good information, like finding a needle in a pile of dog crap


Why do people think finding a needle in anything non metallic is hard??? Just use a metal detector Roll


The saying comes from a time when people were using bone needles; it probably should be upgraded.

As to the OP there are a lot of people that just come to forums to get some quick info and don't participate in the BS that usually takes place in most General Discussions.



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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#66 - 2013-01-15 16:16:47 UTC
In my experience most people don't read the forums, or the dev blogs, or even the release notes. They just play the game as it is presented within the game itself.

Knowledge being power, I'm OK with this.

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Usagi Toshiro
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#67 - 2013-01-15 16:57:45 UTC
If I didn't have desk job that allows me time to check the forums I would almost never come here. The only times previously I'd visit were right before and after expansions and content patches to see what people thought and to learn tips and tricks. Most folks will visit their corp forums instead.

The EVE forums are optional. Cool

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Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
#68 - 2013-01-15 16:59:34 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Marius Deterium wrote:
Because, to be honest, the forums are mostly ****.


post with your main Evil


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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-01-15 17:29:41 UTC
The unique and intriguing thing about the EVE forums is that this is a single cluster game.
This means that you could actually meet every single poster in game and interact with him (usually involves shooting into faces).
It makes the whole game experience so much more immersive and personal.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-01-15 17:40:22 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.



Bots can't post.

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-01-15 17:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Doddy wrote:
Back in the day these forums used to be quite well regarded by the player base, now everyone just despises them, and indeed themselves when they post here.

Yeah, just a few years ago, we had people posting all kinds of original, interesting stuff. The EVE tourist guy's travelogue. The noob in null sec's journal. Chat log excerpts (some pretty entertaining, some not). Other random off-the-wall b.s. The point is, a some pretty creative (usually in a tasteless or offensive way) stuff, and a lot of it was pretty funny.

Not much like that in the forums these days. I guess people moved that kind of thing to blogsites. Too bad, they've probably have a bigger audience here.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-01-15 18:02:41 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.



Bots can't post.


You'd be surprised.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-01-16 15:49:45 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.


For every person like you, there are a few dozen who can't understand how busy people with jobs and families have time to play games and post on the forums. Then there area dozen who came to EVE through an external community, so the EVE forums have nothing for them that their external community doesn't already provide — this includes small gaming clans as well as the obvious Something Awful and Reddit communities.

And I apologise for bringing a sensible opinion to the EVE forums.


spend 25 bucks on that used 2nd monitor and multitask :P

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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#74 - 2013-01-16 16:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Dad
psycho freak wrote:
Alot players are just casual and dont give a fck untill they learn of a nurf that will effect them



That's harsh - a lot of players have limited time due to RL, love the game and get told to post on the Forum when they file a petition. CCP say that other players will help and the DEVS regularly read the forums.

What actually happens is that you post and then get abused for whining by semi-professional Trolls and drunks who are big on Ego but small on social skills.

Do forums make us better people?

Twisted
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-01-16 16:42:38 UTC
Zen Dad wrote:

Do forums make us better people?
Twisted

forums is the place when you learn to troll on your not-native language.

So yes, it makes you better Lol

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#76 - 2013-01-16 20:34:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…there's nothing that inherently disqualifies the standard 10% (or EVE's apparent higher number) from being a good representation of the player base at large. Small minority or not, if the sample is representative, it's not a problem.


Thank goodness you're not responsible for market research or medical trials. The portion of the community that takes part in the forums is a self-selecting component of the community.

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Skorpynekomimi
#77 - 2013-01-16 20:48:12 UTC
Because we're all goon and TEST alts. Or both.

I'm not sure what I am any more. I do know these goggles are snazzy, though.

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Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#78 - 2013-01-16 21:16:07 UTC
Not everyone thinks that it is worth the work to wade through all the muck and mire to find the pearls of information and validation.
Posters getting cute with their posts (trolling) seldom impresses any one and turns most people away.
Trolling also affects the credibility of any thing the trolling poster says.
Personally, I do not understand the value of trolling except it does show me who not to listen to.

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-01-16 21:23:49 UTC
My post on the first page has 46 likes... that was my best post ever (I think, I'm too lazy to go through them... there are so many) Shocked

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Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#80 - 2013-01-16 22:18:07 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
My post on the first page has 46 likes... that was my best post ever (I think, I'm too lazy to go through them... there are so many) Shocked


That is a part of what I don't understand.
People applaud at a clown show to show their appreciation for the entertainment provided.

Is that what the forums are about?
In my mind, all your likes indicate that maybe you are a joker and should not be taken seriously or are all the likes you have the result of your superior knowledge and willingness to share?

The most recent evidence "46 likes" were received for what appears to be a trolling remark.
But then i might have misunderstood your first page post.

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers