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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2013-01-15 00:33:49 UTC
Kai Sheia wrote:
Yeah... As said, usually less than 10% of forum readers ever significantly post. And those who bother to browse forums much are a minority as well. Over my time in MMO's, it turns out that researching or studying up on or really trying all that hard is a relatively hardcore, thin-air level of play. Lots of people kinda just coast along and just go with what is right in front of them without thinking too much.
.... Frankly there is a reason WoW is so popular.

To be fair, estimates from posting stats suggest that EVE actually has an unusually high level of forum participation — maybe as much as 15% or so.
Juno Valerii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-01-15 00:36:08 UTC
It's pretty much true in every forum for every game ever made. We are the tiny but EXTREMELY vocal minority and that is the sad truth.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#23 - 2013-01-15 00:39:40 UTC
reading more than is required to function properly is not something kewl kids do
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#24 - 2013-01-15 00:43:00 UTC
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
reading more than is required to function minimally is not something kewl kids do


FTFY. These days I'd expect that most people will search YouTube for help or education before they'd look for pages of words.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#25 - 2013-01-15 01:23:50 UTC
Juno Valerii wrote:
It's pretty much true in every forum for every game ever made. We are the tiny but EXTREMELY vocal minority and that is the sad truth.

Only if we are destructive and leading the game toward annihilation.

Oh wait, goon corp tag.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#26 - 2013-01-15 01:35:28 UTC
EvEa Deva wrote:
Takes to long to gather any good information, like finding a needle in a pile of dog crap


That's easy. Just grab a handful and squeeze it till you feel a sharp pain. Now a haystack on the other hand...

Mr Epeen Cool
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#27 - 2013-01-15 01:52:19 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.


I love forums, it's a very diverse community, and I usually get a smile or two out of reading topics, which makes it worth it to me.

Mind you it took me a few years of gaming to find and start regularly using game forums. Starting with questions and then moving further afield into broader discussions.

I imagine that timewise and gamewise it may not appeal to all. If you have kids and a regular teamspeak team, forums might be too much.

Then again it could be some people don't like peeking behind the curtain, they want to log in and be surprised by new updates or have to find things out themselves.

I think of forums as a vital part of any online game. But we are fairly new at it.

The point about only a small group uses the forums is interesting, I know it tempts game companies into thinking "small expendable minority, who don't act as they talk."

Gamers game, they play the existing rules. Which I think explains discrepancies between game action and forum words.

We still don't know much about social networks like Facebook, Twitter and Game Forums, personally I put the Game Forums ahead of Facebook and Twitter with respect to their respective games.

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Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-01-15 01:59:47 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.


I know it's hard to believe, but for VAST majority of games (including MMOs), most players never even visit the forums unless they encounter a problem, which is usually not even gameplay-related.

Take me, for example. I never post anything on the forums of non-MMO games. Ever. I get the game, I play it for a while, and then quit it when I get bored with it. It's that simple. MMOs tend to be a larger time investment, so I post from time to time. But even so, there's been plenty of MMOs that I deemed beyond recovery and didn't really bother to comment on at all - abject failures that would never amount to anything, like Tera Online, for example.

Which is why I feel developers ought to pay attention to people who take the time and make the effort to communicate their views to the dev team. The big difference between your average forum poster and just some guy who plays the game and never even visits the forum is that with the former, you know where you stand as a developer. The latter simply drop out without a word, and you never find out what it was that made them quit. Sure, some MMOs have a little window on cancellation page asking why, but those are usually limited to 100 words or less and let's face it, almost nobody fills those out anyhow.

And which is also why it bothers me when people on the forum get labeled as the "vocal minority". Are they a vocal minority? Yeah, they are. But the only difference between them and the silent majority is that when silent majority leaves, they do so silently and you never get to find out why, you can only guess. Makes it damn difficult to improve your product in the right direction.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-01-15 02:03:52 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.


Honestly I find it amazing anyone is able to read half of the sub literate garbage and malformed ideas on this forum without wanting to huff paint thinner while playing with a lighter.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-01-15 02:07:02 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Etherealclams wrote:
How can this possibly be? I don't understand how you can play a game and not visit, post and talk on the forums. Are people just too lazy to care or do they just not know about them? It just baffles me.


Honestly I find it amazing anyone is able to read half of the sub literate garbage and malformed ideas on this forum without wanting to huff paint thinner while playing with a lighter.


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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#31 - 2013-01-15 02:35:22 UTC
The first thing I do when considering trying a new game is read their forums. I have been an active member of the forums of every game I've played since 1999. One trend I've noticed since the MMO explosion in 2003-2004 is a large percentage of socially awkward individuals who play MMO's solo. It's like they are on the outside looking in but cannot commit to the full experience of a thriving online community.

But then again, maybe most folks are casual players who log in and play for a couple hours a day then do other things, and never think about EVE for the rest of the night. Unfortunately I find myself wondering about whats going on in EVE when I'm not logged in, which leads me to visit forums. This 23/7 dynamic universe is unique (at least for me) in this way. I played EQ1 for 13 years and when I wasnt playing- I never thought twice about whats going on in Norrath. Its bizarre and unexplainable, could be gypsy magic Smile

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#32 - 2013-01-15 02:43:05 UTC
I will NOT move to the back of the bus sir!
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgoge rychwyrndrob
In Praise Of Shadows
#33 - 2013-01-15 02:51:58 UTC
The moderation here is not critical enough and all the shitposters make the whole thing tedious for the non pea-brained to sift through.

I'm sure there are people that read the critical announcements and certainly CEO's are often good at disseminating information to corp members but on the whole, this place is just in too poor a state to be worth wasting time on.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2013-01-15 03:35:41 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Unfortunately I find myself wondering about whats going on in EVE when I'm not logged in, which leads me to visit forums. This 23/7 dynamic universe is unique (at least for me) in this way. I played EQ1 for 13 years and when I wasnt playing- I never thought twice about whats going on in Norrath. Its bizarre and unexplainable, could be gypsy magic Smile

I take it you're keeping up to date via ~EN24~

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#35 - 2013-01-15 03:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
EvE is so good that most people never visit forum they just enjoy game, imagine 25.000 posts every day per mains and 25k per stealth alt ;) 70% posts is created by small group of veterans who post somthing everyday.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#36 - 2013-01-15 04:01:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kai Sheia wrote:
Yeah... As said, usually less than 10% of forum readers ever significantly post. And those who bother to browse forums much are a minority as well. Over my time in MMO's, it turns out that researching or studying up on or really trying all that hard is a relatively hardcore, thin-air level of play. Lots of people kinda just coast along and just go with what is right in front of them without thinking too much.
.... Frankly there is a reason WoW is so popular.

To be fair, estimates from posting stats suggest that EVE actually has an unusually high level of forum participation — maybe as much as 15% or so.


source or its a lie

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#37 - 2013-01-15 05:42:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Unfortunately I find myself wondering about whats going on in EVE when I'm not logged in, which leads me to visit forums. This 23/7 dynamic universe is unique (at least for me) in this way. I played EQ1 for 13 years and when I wasnt playing- I never thought twice about whats going on in Norrath. Its bizarre and unexplainable, could be gypsy magic Smile

I take it you're keeping up to date via ~EN24~


Ohgod no, TM.com for life Smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2013-01-15 07:51:08 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
source or its a lie
Compare eve-search poster stats to character stats and then downplay that a bit due to alt posts, and then add in the normal active:lurker ratios.



Anyway, it doesn't particularly matter what the end number is since there's nothing that inherently disqualifies the standard 10% (or EVE's apparent higher number) from being a good representation of the player base at large. Small minority or not, if the sample is representative, it's not a problem.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-01-15 08:38:29 UTC
Most people just search for help or read information here. Some need to express their opinions, rages or ideas (which is not interesting for the masses) and some are plain bored because of single dudes posting "We, the players, demand...".

That's not an EvE attribute. It's common.

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#40 - 2013-01-15 08:53:39 UTC
Simply put: the forums are out of the game.

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