EVE General Discussion

Except they increase the meaning of holding space because the people who hold space have a mobility advantage.
So stop with the rhetoric, please.

Equally as valid of a point is "how much space do you need"?


Most of space is still barren and empty. Less mobility would only serve to add to how many individual sov entities could exist per unit of space, effectively making eve a much bigger place. You would just have to add a few more regional gates into deep null sec to offset being so far deep into no man's land, which many null sec'ers would appreciate.


This could be seen as a "buff" to the size of the EVE universe, without having to expand it graphically. I see nothing terribly wrong with that.

A spool-up requirement is reasonable. Mass limits for cynos only means that nobody would jump /less/ than 10 supers or 8 titans to a lone cyno, ever. Why? Because it makes a counter-drop that much more difficult. You'd need 5-10 cynos for any serious counter-drop, which is just ridiculous. This basically allows people to use supers with less risk of interference, which is dumb dumb dumb.

Spool-up timers are a decent idea worth discussion, but cyno mass limits are just silly

Are you suggesting that most all of null sec is a living zones where people frequent often, make isk in often, live in and there are more then 1-2 or a small handful of people within at any given time (if that?)


Just to be clear so I can be "certain" of what you are saying before I slap some dotlan in your face. Let's just be clear in order to avoid more "communication issues" in this thread shall we?

are you suggesting that if i scratch the paint of a remote POS i wouldn't get dropped on by force as big as if had flown all the way deep in Sov and attacked that alliances main outpost?

your argument is moot and pointless, and shows you don't understand the problem at all, we know they don't use that space, we know no one is there, that's not the point. the whole point is that they don't use it, they maybe have absolutely no development done on it, but they can defend it as if it were of some "vital" importance.

that's what people mean when they say "power projection" is bullshit and should be severely limited. your argument is great when turned around... they don't need to be able to hotdrop there, because they don't use that space, because they don't care for it, not enough to defend it by having people sit on it, or near it.

actually basically any upper limit to force projection would mean that nobody would use less force than that upper limit allows

for example if bridging 200 ships on top of you costs 1b and 201 costs 2b, we'd drop 200 each time, guaranteed

you're not limiting force projection, you're specifying an "I win" critical mass

You won't hear much complaining after a while.

Because everyone will have returned to the promised land of Highsec.

If the canon was based upon space travel coming as a result of navigators huffing "spice" to fold space I could see an argument against the OP. But in EvE space travel is supposed to be somewhat based on science and technology.

Yet whenever someone questions the validity of the "science" in EvE or uses a form of logic out come the "This is how it works and we like it that way!"instead of admitting the OP has a valid argument.

But in the end it comes down to this, and OP pay attention. If it works and it is easy to implement and manage by CCP it isn't going to change, science and logic be damned!

That's what I meant. Sorry, just blowing through the thread not reading.

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