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SuperCapital and Force projection is way too easy in EvE
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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#321 - 2013-01-15 23:26:40 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I don't even know why people are still crying about the floating loot pinata's that we call supercaps.

They want to be able to kill them with their own fleet of supers.
Also 2 things
1 why do super pilots carry everything they own?
2 is your hair dark blonde or eggshell?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#322 - 2013-01-15 23:26:52 UTC
fukier wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
fukier wrote:
null is for killing and building... diplomacy just happened to be emergin gameplay...

Empire Builder

I lead my alliance to conquest and control over territory in the outer regions
»I am the leader of an alliance of capsuleers in nullsec
»My alliance has fought for control of territory in the outer regions against other capsuleer alliances
»In the territory under our control we have built outposts and other facilities
»As alliance leader, I forge deals with allies and demand tribute from vassals
»Economics, politics and espionage are as important to me as military power

That is from:
http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/empire-builder/

CCP says you're wrong.


interesting but when an empire get too big it usually dies... (rome/England/Mongolia/japan/America) but as the way force projection works... you can defend all your borders...

this does not go well with history...

BoB
fukier
Gallente Federation
#323 - 2013-01-15 23:27:26 UTC
[quote=James Amril-Kesh]

indeed i started this thread... then someone wrote about on the goon website...

then someone posted thier responce to the goon thread about my thread on a new thread... Straight
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
fukier
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2013-01-15 23:28:02 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
fukier wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
fukier wrote:
null is for killing and building... diplomacy just happened to be emergin gameplay...

Empire Builder

I lead my alliance to conquest and control over territory in the outer regions
»I am the leader of an alliance of capsuleers in nullsec
»My alliance has fought for control of territory in the outer regions against other capsuleer alliances
»In the territory under our control we have built outposts and other facilities
»As alliance leader, I forge deals with allies and demand tribute from vassals
»Economics, politics and espionage are as important to me as military power

That is from:
http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/empire-builder/

CCP says you're wrong.


interesting but when an empire get too big it usually dies... (rome/England/Mongolia/japan/America) but as the way force projection works... you can defend all your borders...

this does not go well with history...

BoB


so the answer to op force projection is Hargooth?
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#325 - 2013-01-15 23:28:14 UTC
fukier wrote:

this does not go well with history...

It means they arent big enough yet.
I mean really that is the easy answer.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#326 - 2013-01-15 23:29:15 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
fukier wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You guys don't find that an armada of ships is able to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other in fifteen minutes amazing and health for the game?

Fifteen minutes, lol.


I can get from stain to syndicate in 30 min with just me and cyno alts... So I dunno if you had et a all cyno alts setup same time you could do it in theory in that amount of time...

But if there a cool down time of like
10 min this could take over an hour...

Because waiting longer to do stuff is always more fun? wtf.

You guys really think that making hundreds of people sit around, even longer then they already do, just to get into the thick of things is "better".

I'm glad you guys aren't the devs. Your game would be ****.


Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#327 - 2013-01-15 23:30:54 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

We have plenty of roams and we don't have 90% of nullsec blue. I doubt we even have the majority of null entities blue.
Try again.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#328 - 2013-01-15 23:32:17 UTC
fukier wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
fukier wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
fukier wrote:
null is for killing and building... diplomacy just happened to be emergin gameplay...

Empire Builder

I lead my alliance to conquest and control over territory in the outer regions
»I am the leader of an alliance of capsuleers in nullsec
»My alliance has fought for control of territory in the outer regions against other capsuleer alliances
»In the territory under our control we have built outposts and other facilities
»As alliance leader, I forge deals with allies and demand tribute from vassals
»Economics, politics and espionage are as important to me as military power

That is from:
http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/empire-builder/

CCP says you're wrong.


interesting but when an empire get too big it usually dies... (rome/England/Mongolia/japan/America) but as the way force projection works... you can defend all your borders...

this does not go well with history...

BoB


so the answer to op force projection is Hargooth?

No, it demonstrates that EVE's "history" does indeed work the way you expect.

Nothing says that "goons" will be the super power 6 months from now.

The powers that be forgot to pay the bills once already.

Seriously though.
The beauty of diplomacy is that it can start or stop a war, as well as be used to bring down a super power.
Unfotunately it's not a skill that can be coded into the game. It actually requires real world ability to communicate with others. Let's be honest here, most people in EVE aren't very good at that.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#329 - 2013-01-15 23:51:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

We have plenty of roams and we don't have 90% of nullsec blue. I doubt we even have the majority of null entities blue.
Try again.


Mate u can lie to the public, but pls, pls dont lie to yourself.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#330 - 2013-01-15 23:54:57 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

We have plenty of roams and we don't have 90% of nullsec blue. I doubt we even have the majority of null entities blue.
Try again.


Mate u can lie to the public, but pls, pls dont lie to yourself.

So, if it goes against the image you'd like to portray, it's a lie. Got it.

Funny thing, there's lots of roams in Deklein as well.
I guess I'm a liar as well.


Or maybe it's just you.
I'm pretty sure it's you.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#331 - 2013-01-16 00:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

We have plenty of roams and we don't have 90% of nullsec blue. I doubt we even have the majority of null entities blue.
Try again.


Mate u can lie to the public, but pls, pls dont lie to yourself.

So, if it goes against the image you'd like to portray, it's a lie. Got it.

Funny thing, there's lots of roams in Deklein as well.
I guess I'm a liar as well.


Or maybe it's just you.
I'm pretty sure it's you.


Or maybe u r a tinny delusional.
Your roams are mostly "pile up gents BL or VOC came to whoop our assses"

Or some gangs that chase of some solo bot killers.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#332 - 2013-01-16 00:02:57 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Than maybe u wont have 90% of nullsec blue.
Than maybe some more roams would happen instead of sitting on Titans for whole nights.

We have plenty of roams and we don't have 90% of nullsec blue. I doubt we even have the majority of null entities blue.
Try again.


Mate u can lie to the public, but pls, pls dont lie to yourself.

So, if it goes against the image you'd like to portray, it's a lie. Got it.

Funny thing, there's lots of roams in Deklein as well.
I guess I'm a liar as well.


Or maybe it's just you.
I'm pretty sure it's you.


Or maybe u r a tinny delusional.
U roams are mostly "pile up gents BL or VOC came to whoop our assses"

Or some gangs that chase of some solo bot killers.

When did I say my roam?

OTHERS are roaming where I live.

Get a clue, or just stfu.
Lord Leftfield
Doomheim
#333 - 2013-01-16 00:08:07 UTC
Nothing wrong with a little force projection. I belive CCP's having a HTFU attitude to the whole ordeal. All nations grow and fall over time.

Life is just a 420 all the way home :) Please give me more of that chocolate brew!!
fukier
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2013-01-16 00:38:53 UTC
Lord Leftfield wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little force projection. I belive CCP's having a HTFU attitude to the whole ordeal. All nations grow and fall over time.


unless sov mechanics change this Tumor of mega blocks will metastasize...

i really really hope the summer expansion theme will be sov mechanics/0.0 industry/force projection... a true follow up to Dominion... 
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#335 - 2013-01-16 00:44:07 UTC
Lord Leftfield wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little force projection. I belive CCP's having a HTFU attitude to the whole ordeal. All nations grow and fall over time.

Nations formed of nations not beseiged by force parity will stagnate, yes
But they will not collapse.
Observe how the Roman Empire Balkanized (oh how I love using terms that didnt exist for millenia after the event being described) but had an uneasy stable relationship until the Ottoman Empire came in and sacked Constantinople.
Then it collapsed.
That is where you can best describe null as.
Unless this is an observer problem where null is actually quite healthy but those outside wish to consider it a pack of Neobarbs with CCP under Mesan control.
There is a hint there, go read the literature and then respond.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#336 - 2013-01-16 00:49:55 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Lord Leftfield wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little force projection. I belive CCP's having a HTFU attitude to the whole ordeal. All nations grow and fall over time.

Nations formed of nations not beseiged by force parity will stagnate, yes
But they will not collapse.
Observe how the Roman Empire Balkanized (oh how I love using terms that didnt exist for millenia after the event being described) but had an uneasy stable relationship until the Ottoman Empire came in and sacked Constantinople.
Then it collapsed.
That is where you can best describe null as.
Unless this is an observer problem where null is actually quite healthy but those outside wish to consider it a pack of Neobarbs with CCP under Mesan control.
There is a hint there, go read the literature and then respond.

I think it's the ottoman part people get lost on.

They're sitting on the sideline, watching, and wondering when we're going to collapse. But no one's willing to be the hand that shoved the beast over the cliff.

It's easier to stand on the side with your spears in the air, yelling, and waiting.
Washichu May
Psilocybin Research
#337 - 2013-01-16 01:15:31 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Lord Leftfield wrote:
Nothing wrong with a little force projection. I belive CCP's having a HTFU attitude to the whole ordeal. All nations grow and fall over time.

Nations formed of nations not beseiged by force parity will stagnate, yes
But they will not collapse.
Observe how the Roman Empire Balkanized (oh how I love using terms that didnt exist for millenia after the event being described) but had an uneasy stable relationship until the Ottoman Empire came in and sacked Constantinople.
Then it collapsed.
That is where you can best describe null as.
Unless this is an observer problem where null is actually quite healthy but those outside wish to consider it a pack of Neobarbs with CCP under Mesan control.
There is a hint there, go read the literature and then respond.

I think it's the ottoman part people get lost on.

They're sitting on the sideline, watching, and wondering when we're going to collapse. But no one's willing to be the hand that shoved the beast over the cliff.

It's easier to stand on the side with your spears in the air, yelling, and waiting.


I read your poast and I farted so loud
FourierTransformer
#338 - 2013-01-16 01:44:03 UTC
For your consideration: CCP does consider force projection in its current form to be an issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLi1J9YrkM&feature=youtu.be&t=23m38s
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#339 - 2013-01-16 03:31:26 UTC
FourierTransformer wrote:
For your consideration: CCP does consider force projection in its current form to be an issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLi1J9YrkM&feature=youtu.be&t=23m38s

Ah those few moments during fanfest where CCP themselves acknowledge force projection is an issue. There it is in streaming video. Yet we have people run in this thread trying to hid the elephant behind the curtain, all the while foaming at the mouth screaming at the top of their lungs that force projection is a 'non issue'. Lol
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#340 - 2013-01-16 04:42:02 UTC
developer attention is focused on important issues like "miner bumping" so we might see devblogs regarding force projection by 2015

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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