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And that's perfectly fair and reasonable.

Unfortunately CCP hasn't developed a single mechanic to support your vision of null. In fact, they've done exactly the opposite over the last 10 years.

That's not an accident.

I'm not trolling, I've been keeping up with the entire thread, even agree with you on many points and have said so.

"That is the misconception.
Null isn't intended to be a place of turmoil or chaos. It's intended to be the player run counterpart to high sec, where there can exist turmoil and chaos becuase the players make it so.

It seems people have come to this conclusion, that because there is no concord in null, that null is supposed to be the place players go to constantly fight with others. Diplomacy isn't a one way street though, you can negotiate peace a well as war.

If tomorrow, all of null turned blue and we started working together, null would be working as intended. Just like tomorrow if everyone reset, it would be working as intended"

You said that, and even mentioned saying you needed a titan to make it easier to go shoot someone. (That post was edited to be fair).

If I'm using your words, and told I'm not very bright... well.. you got me there I guess! Your forum diplomacy is a strong indication of how you play it seems. Again, I agree with you on many points, and you want to go insulting people.

I didn't think we wanted this thread locked, but there you go, escalating.

Please don't. I even mentioned using this thread to be contructive in the sense of growth and community.

You decided to act like an asshat.

It has been staring you in the face this entire thread.

Meet the new thread, same as the old one, 2-3+ years ago.

I hardly encourage anyone to agree with me. I even openly posted my intent is to **** you off enough to come shoot me. Don't act suprised by my posts.

Null is not, nor has it ever been established, as the place of constant contlict.

It's taken 10 years of player activity for null sec to take shape. A year from now it could look completely different, and that's it's real beauty.


What the players have done, and the mechanics CCP has developed are in complete opposition to the idea that null is intended to be a place of constant conflict.

It is not possible for me to be wrong.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if I was, because null would be working the way you guys think it should, and it's not.


PS: I apologize for saying you're not very bright, you told me to read this thread, of which I may have the most posts in. Dur.

Who is "we"?

You keep saying "we". "WE" are all players in the same game, regardless what anyone thinks. CCP makes the decisions regardless of what "we" want.

You tell me I should learn to read, and I've read, and I've put my input to it. "I" don't care whether you agree to it or not. I have no problem giving "YOU" credit where it belongs.

It's quite simple. YOU are either going to be a part of the problem, or a part of the solution. Regardless of who else does what.

As it stands, "I" would like to see it be easier for a smaller corp to be able to get into Null and make a name and hold some space.

"I" do not want to have to have a 1,000 man corp to do it without getting my ass handed to me. We all know the polulation doesn't allow for simply get the manpower needed to do what you say, because well, they don't want to.

MOST of the population wants to be a part of the mob to piggyback into riches and content and that's fine. The game allows it.

But using it in a sort of offhand remark like it's easy is fallacy.

Especially when you have titans and hotdrops and further monsters of war encouraging you to leave.

And still I try, and will try. Even when in a corner of stain the one station gets caught by a bubble of 20+ goons to station camp until they got pushed out.

That's fine! I am ok with it. That's the turmoil and chaos of null!

But yet you are saying I'm wrong? Seriously? There is nothing in 6q for the goons to come take as their own. It's npc space. It's a place for me to station up, try to build something, and be a part of something. Yep, lost a ship. It happens. Again, cool that's why I'm there.

But you are trying to say it's a player ran highsec without concord, yet your corp is the one who came into npc null to bubble a station and pick off stragglers. Which again fits MY way of thinking. But you are professing somethign entirely different.

And that's the bullshit I'm calling you out of.

Goons were the ones creating the turmoil and chaos. And you are the one trying to say it isn't like that.

So remind me what "we" are we talking about?

Pardon me,

What war exactly are you talking about?
Ours against NCdot? Our neighbor?

Isn't IRC razors neighbor?

isn't AAA HBC's neighbor?

Who's solar fighting again?


What EVE are you guys playing? What war is the CFC jumping to the other side fo the map for?
When did AAA hot drop VFK? Or any GSF system?

Where are all these massive, long distance hotdrops occuring?
And who's fighting someone on the other side of the map from them, in an active campaign to take space?


And your small group can get into null!
It's called diplomacy.

Who's not letting you?


You guys do understand that the GSF isn't comprised of a bunch of Goonwaffe overflow corps right?
TnT isn't Goonwaffe, they're TnT.
Guys that hold sov in GSF space, aren't multithousand man corps.

That is no "instatravel" in EVE, wtf.

How many titans does it take to get from one side of the map to the other? And what do you need to do to set that up?

I did not mention a war. But my small group isn't really that small of a group, but that's not the point.

And I totally know what you mean by TnT references to your coalition. Dvice is a small corp by itself. No Value is a bit bigger as it has quite a few corporations, of which fight quite often in Stain. Whether it be versus Test, Tribal, Goons, Solar, whoever.

Diplomacy aside, we all know it isn't up to the individual to make decisions, so I won't speak for any diplomatic entities. But I do know wars and fights start for far less.

Who uses titans outside of war, and how often?

The theme appears to be that people use titans to hotdrop a blob on a system far, far away and that prevents smaller groups from entering null.

The entire issue of small groups in null boils down to the idea that because they're small they can't survive a war, which they shouldn't.

Who in here is having their roaming gangs hotdropped by a blob, from a titan bridge, by a someone 30 jumps away? No one.



There's a perception problem, not a mechanics one.

The fact that I can ask you,

How long does it take to go 20 jumps with a titan, makes it rather clear there is no instatravel in EVE.


You don't get to redefine how "instant" works.