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Oxygen Isotope prices are about to explode.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#21 - 2013-01-14 05:30:44 UTC
Buy that ****

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Citizen of Solitude
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#22 - 2013-01-14 05:35:36 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
retrievers are gangable, therefore having that as the backup ship could mean ending up begging for free stuff in channels.

the correct answer is not retreiver


they used to cost 4m also Straight

mining frigate army

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GreenSeed
#23 - 2013-01-14 07:06:40 UTC
Wescro wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
yet another new order killboard with only macks in it.... speaks volumes of the incredible levels of retardation among highsec miners.

oxy prices might go up a little, but they will never go up more than 30% over any long period of time. why? well, you cant gank or bump a 600ms/100k+ ehp skiff in highsec. and 20%, 30% is the yield difference between a failfit mack and a properly tanked Skiff.


i mean, you could trow 12 - 14 catalysts at it, but that will cost 80misk and has a VERY high chance of failing. and even if you do get a kill, the skiff is way too cheap. (120m fitted)

and no, don't go buy skiffs now, smarter people than you already bought the ones going for material cost.


Ice prices won't rise more than 30% because that's the yield difference between a mack and a skiff? That's some bizarre logic.

You do realize that:


  1. The skiff has a smaller cargohold and therefore requires a lot more warping in and out, which is why macks outnumber skiffs by far. Which means there will be less people mining since it requires more effort.
  2. Even if we disregard the first point and assume that all miners will be willing to switch to the skiff, will they be able. The New Order routinely hits miners for more than a billion ISK in ship and implants.
  3. The price of ice must also be affected by the demand for new ships, both for mining and ganking. Some manufactures produce in POSes, which require fuel blocks that require ice. This is an indirect rise in demand.


Now throw in the proud carebear motto of "WHAT HAPPEN!?" and massive speculative buying.

I don't know how high the prices will go but I'm pretty sure they aren't capped at 30% by some invisible hand.

"a lot more warping"

...

it needs 3 extra minutes of downtime every 30 minutes... whoop dee doo!

mines 58 cubes/h with a ******** tank on, 64 with a more reasonable one. compared to the 72/h a paper tanked mackinaw mines.

a 1mn mwd skiff can fly at 484ms stable with 108kehp, and that's adding a negligible 50kmass to a 10m mass ship (the mwd doesn't change orbit , or align speed.) unlike the mack, it has a monster buffer, more than enough for the "mythical" AFK miner, or even a bot to turn on overloading on the mid rack, . so yeah, forget it, you can't kill a skiff. at least not in a sustainable and reliable way.

and i see your "WHAT HAPPEN!?" motto and i raise you "LOL I DON'T CARE IF I LEFT MY SKIFF FLOATING ON THE ICEBELT 2 HRS WITH THE CARGO FULL BECAUSE I CANT DIE LOL".

highsec miners don't care for yields so long as they are safe, this has been proven time and time again with the nerfs to highsec that have done nothing to have carebears leave it.

and lets not forget that the same tools that allow the new order to "solo" gank a mack with 3 dessies are available to miners... so there's 0 increase in effort if the miner has two skiffs, or ten thousand. Shocked

and about that yield value cap i mentioned.

lets just say that if mass botters, the ones that infest highsec belts, still use macks its because the cost of losing them is not enough to make replacing them for skiffs better than just moving to another faction ice.
the one thing that was pointed out to james on the first halaima IPO call was that the moment there's any obstacle on mining, botters are the first to leave, but the moment the units of ice break a certain threshold, botters are the first to come back.

its the way of the world, as soon as mining blue ice in a safe skiff with lower yield is more profitable than macks on any other faction, botters will switch to it, and kill any chance of the ore to increase in price past that point. Blink

there's room for speculation, of course, but as far as a real change on volumes, no. don't make the mistake of thinking that your efforts are in any way similar to the ones pulled by the goons on the interdiction.

seriously, james needs to distance himself from the gankers, they are bad for business. so long as miners don't feel that sacrificing yield for a skiff is desirable they will keep mining on macks and they will keep getting bumped and randomly ganked if they don't pay... i guess its time to cash out of the Halaima miner bumping bonds...

your third point has no particular importance on blue ice, as it affects the consumption of all ice, and considering the goons got half of highsec to switch towers already... its even less relevant now. and your second one... well.. what are you taking about? 100m grows on trees nowdays, and for any self respecting "bulk miner" losing a few billon isk is nothing but a bump on the road, even if you take everything away from them, they can be back in macks by the end of the day by just mass mining on ventures.
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-14 10:35:58 UTC

Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-01-14 12:05:00 UTC
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.



Your mom is a trashy skank and you were raised on crack cocaine. (Forum moderators, please note that he informed me of his permission for me to say what I wanted, and therefore I am only following a dialogue he sanctioned.)

Also, lols at another new order isk grab scheme. bet this one is doing almost as well as your ganking insurance one hmm?
GreenSeed
#26 - 2013-01-14 13:27:00 UTC
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.

please, do point at the part where i said prices wouldn't rise...
i was giving my view on how prices rising will only make botters jump in skiffs and completely disregard your attempts at Roleplaying in local.

hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-01-14 14:23:18 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:

hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss.

how would rebalance of mining barges make bumpers see the real Eve? Shocked

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Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-01-14 14:43:54 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.



Your mom is a trashy skank and you were raised on crack *******. (Forum moderators, please note that he informed me of his permission for me to say what I wanted, and therefore I am only following a dialogue he sanctioned.)

Also, lols at another new order isk grab scheme. bet this one is doing almost as well as your ganking insurance one hmm?



I'm sorry, but that is really uncalled for. I have nothing to do with any corp, except my own.
I am merely making the observation, that the supply squeeze is beginning to have an effect. Surely you can't be upset by that?
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-01-14 15:02:01 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.


1. No its not, its basicly on the same level for 2 month now
2. 1 isk price increase does not automaticly mean its the beginning of an apocalyptic price increase

TL-DR
one more oxytop manipulation attempt

shar'ra phone home
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-01-14 15:09:15 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Say what you want, but the price of Oxygen Isotopes is actually beginning to tick upwards.


1. No its not, its basicly on the same level für 2 month now
2. 1 isk price increase does not automaticly mean its the beginning of an apocalyptic price increase

TL-DR
one more oxytop manipulation attempt




Lol. You people are slightly paranoid Twisted

Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are.

Now, it may be that the miners have just moved on to other systems (to mine for Nitrogen Isotopes possibly?), but the fact remains that there are a lot less people mining Blue ice now that a few weeks ago. You can't tell me that won't eventually have an impact on prices. Shocked
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-01-14 16:19:34 UTC
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Lol. You people are slightly paranoid Twisted

Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are.



why would I listen to some random people whining about random stuff in a random system when I can just check the price literally with 1 click in jita?

btw. just between my last post and this one the price dropped for a cple isk even...so yeah, op failed

shar'ra phone home
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-01-14 16:35:29 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

Lol. You people are slightly paranoid Twisted

Why don't you try this: Take a shuttle and take a trip through Gallente ice mining systems during prime time, and listen to all the whining in Local, and watch all the flashy red toons there, or actually go to the belts and see how thinly populated they are.



why would I listen to some random people whining about random stuff in a random system when I can just check the price literally with 1 click in jita?

btw. just between my last post and this one the price dropped for a cple isk even...so yeah, op failed



You seem angry.... So very angry.....
Got a few Gallente towers somewhere?
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-01-14 17:00:34 UTC
im simply able to make a price check without hurting myself. Dont ask me how you look like if your not able to do the same.
Invested all your one and a half isk in oxytopes he? too badBig smile

shar'ra phone home
elder troll
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-01-14 20:57:47 UTC
If oxygen isotopes are going to explode, and you are indeed going to try and make a profit. Why would you post it on the forums, for everyone to see, causing the prices to drop?Roll
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-01-14 21:19:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbert Intaki
elder troll wrote:
If oxygen isotopes are going to explode, and you are indeed going to try and make a profit. Why would you post it on the forums, for everyone to see, causing the prices to drop?Roll



I am not sure you understand simple market dynamics.....

Anyway - not long now.
The pressure is building. Bear
GreenSeed
#36 - 2013-01-14 22:01:49 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:

hopefully CCP will consider a rebalance of the rebalance and do what should have been done from the start... slash production cost on barges, set the stats back to what they were before, and let them explode like everything else. instead of feeding the carebear fantasy of eve being a game of perpetual accumulation with no possibility of loss.

how would rebalance of mining barges make bumpers see the real Eve? Shocked


did you finish high school? your reading comprehension is terrible.
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#37 - 2013-01-15 00:28:00 UTC
Well he could be a madman or a manipulator but lets face it things are fairly peaceful and that means a lot of towers start poping up like spring buds after the ravages of winter and it's not like the price could get much lower.

There has been a bit of movement, though I wouldn't call it pressure exactly...
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#38 - 2013-01-15 00:49:42 UTC
OP States there is less people mining now because of "flashy" reds in local & harassment etc.

OP believes this has decreased the supply, however;

- OP is obviously close minded and believes his "prime time" to be were all minerals are extracted. (Guessing american)
- OP had no idea how many miners were there Before his 'new order' alt became flavor of the month

With no prior knowledge of 'Before' these are assumptions.


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Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-01-15 05:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbert Intaki
Candy Oshea wrote:
OP States there is less people mining now because of "flashy" reds in local & harassment etc.

OP believes this has decreased the supply, however;

- OP is obviously close minded and believes his "prime time" to be were all minerals are extracted. (Guessing american)
- OP had no idea how many miners were there Before his 'new order' alt became flavor of the month

With no prior knowledge of 'Before' these are assumptions.




1. The decrease in supply is obvious - not just in Jita.
2. The OP is not American (Capital A).
3. Prime time is not a subjective thing depending on where you yourself happen to live. Just look at the server numbers to see the peak in concurrent users. Roll
4. OP alts have been operating in Gallente space since 2004, so I think I have some idea. How can you possibly claim to know what I knew when!?? That whole concept is bizarre, and frankly just nonsense.
5. Stop suggesting I am part of the New Order. I am an independent operator, just making observations. The EVE crowd honestly has to be the most paranoid bunch of people in any game out there.

P.S. When you say "close minded", I believe what you meant to say was "closed minded"..... Ugh
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
#40 - 2013-01-15 06:54:06 UTC
A sure sign to know when a thread lacks content and value is when it derails and people start to discuss the grammar in the posts instead Roll