Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fly a Caracal, it uses the same skills, except the subsystem skills, but 5 level 1 skills shouldn´t be worth a plex.

I am also quit sure that the Cerberus will rebalanced so that it will exceed the Caracal again, and then I am sure it will be the new Tengu, but for one third of the price of a Tengu.

So you want to break the skill system, so you can reclaim a maximum of 2.56 mil SP, because you feel they are 'bound' to nerf them?

I want based on what may happen, are not reasons for change.

It's not a MAY happen. T3 nerfs WILL happen. EXPECIALLY FOR THE TENGU!!!

Look at it this way.

All t3s are capable of bs class dps and tank with more utility, options for covert and nullifcation fits, all wrapped up with the size and velocity of a cruiser.

When you look at the tengu, it is the only t3 cruiser capable of of running lvl 4 missions with long range weapons.. At least, with high, ranged dps.

The other t3's require close range weapons in order to have the dps of the tengu and can't fit as strong of a tank either.

So, since I'm 100% certain the tengu will get nerfed out the @ss and about 80% certain that all t3's will get nerfed.

Then it's safe to say the SP I put into the tengu and hmls isn't going to work towards my intended use.



Also, as a newb I had trained towards gallente ships with my original account.
This was before I knew that you could cross train to any ship.
I also had no experience with ships, weapons, or anything.

So, all the SP that I had put into gallente ships and hybrid weapons is unused, and not my fault that I had no knowledge of any of this crap.

It was long before CCP had a decent training program, and even since then the game gives you no knowledge or experience before deciding which race, ships, or weapons would be best suited for you.

With that in mind, I think all players should be given at least one skill reallocation because It's CCP's fault that we all have waisted SP.
If they had a decent training program that gave you experience with different ships and weapon systems before you began applying SP, then many of us wouldn't have near as much waisted SP.

This lack of training that CCP gives players causes them to train ships and weapons that aren't usable in high sec, and/or don't suit their play style.

Hell, I was almost fully trained up to a Marauder before I knew that Capitals weren't allowed in high sec.

I'm sure there are players that have trained capital ships not knowing that they couldn't come into high sec, as well as not knowing that capital pilots are a dime a dozen and finding someone that wanted you to fly a capital was slim...

I agree with this Post, just a few corrections:

* Marauders are not capitals, the Battleships and you can use them in Highsec.

On t3's -

Yes they will get nurfed this is specifically why:

Proteus - Can have a carrier sized tank exceeding 500,000 EFHP
Legion - can maintain 600+ DPS while having a Carrier sized tank of 260,000+ EFHP + 80 - 90% resists across the board ( I fly one of these fits fro incursions)
Tengu - With Certain fits this ship is unkillable except by 10 v 1 Odds. ( My friend flies one and can attest to its effectiveness, he engages entire fleets just for the lols.)
Loki - Lesser Version of the Tengu, More utility, just as hard to kill.

The t3's "When fit correctly" are basically Mini Capital ships which run around at the speed of a cruiser with the sig radius of one, You better believe they will get nerfed to hell.

MAYBE they will be nerfed.

The fact that each race has one, and they have penalties no other ship needs to deal with, creates a possible impression they represent their own classification, that is exclusive.
From that, it could be suggested that they are not intended to be compared directly to anything except other t3s.

It is also a point that these vessels have a definitive relationship with WH space, in creation and usage.

Forget popularity for a moment, and consider if they are reasonably balanced. They are only considered cruisers as the easiest means to relate to them, and that probably from their relative size.

And for balance, they only need to be possible to counter by available means. Even if that means using other t3s to do it.

I would describe that as a gray area at best.

Is it to be a game requirement that you must grind PvE activities to do anything? After all, how else could you get ISK?
(Deliberately discrediting PvP as a source of income here is intended, as the base income is ultimately derived from players grinding, even if indirectly through PvP)

I would suggest that this PLEX mechanic allows a balance. Players who have obviously more time can grind excess PvE for ISK, then sell it to those who have obviously less time than they need, but still need ISK.

You still need the time spent on a paying account to get the skills, regardless of whether you are logged in.
(Yes, we all know about selling characters too, someone spent the time and got paid for it too)

Sometimes you know something is balanced and fair because noone is fond of it... it just frustrates everyone equally.

You and I both know this is BS, You know full well T-3's are used 90% of the time in for pvp ganking, not Wormholes. They are an over powered ship class which is not being used for it's intended purpose.

Oh yes, they will be nerfed, It is inevitable, CCP has already made several Statements/Comments about it in other threads. The term "Rebalanceing" is used a lot. And everyone knows Rebalancing means - Getting the **** nerfed out of it.

First off, I would classify most PvP as pretty much ganking.

Unless the opposing forces are unexpectedly matched to be equal, one side always has an advantage. This is rare enough to be not worth considering.

The moment both sides realize who has the advantage, the conditions are set. Unless one side can successfully avoid the other completely, fighting begins and losses start.

If t3's are so obviously superior, it would seem that the side putting fewer into the field either has better strategy, or poorer preparation. The fights they get into will be the judge of that.

If PLEX were something sold for advantage by CCP, you might have a point.

After all, ISK is how you get in game items, and CCP is selling you ISK, right?
...except they aren't.

Selling you ISK, that is. The ISK comes from players, who earn it.
You are NOT gauranteed a return on your cash investment on that PLEX. It is possible that you might get a good price in the market, but that price is offered by other players, NOT by CCP.

If you pay members of your corp in ISK to help you do something in game, like run a complex, are you paying to win then as well?

Actually CCP states quite clearly that the intention of Plex is to sell it for ISK, it's in their advertisement for it. Along with being able to aford to play without the need to pay cash, since you can buy them with ISK.

So while CCP does not blatently say "We are selling this for the Advantage of Rich people"

The Effect on the game is the same as if they did. It gives rich people the ability to buy anything they desire or need instantaneously. Without grinding and without work. Which gives these individuals an Unfair advantage over those who can not afford to do such.

Which is "Pay to win" by definition.