Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can already see it now. "Today the flavor of the month is this, everyone is expected to re-allocate all their skills into these ships" - That's exactly what we need. Better yet having a nooby lose a ship to a FOTM composition, changing all their skills to said FOTM and still having their arse kicked. I'm sorry to all those EFT warriors out there who insist on FOTM comps with little to no creativity - but fact is, many people play "Sub par ships" and are quite successful with them.

Agreed the constant complaining over the Hurricane "nerf" is really ringing hollow for me as well, by no stretch is it outclassed by other battlecruisers or even a poor ship choice.

Be glad they removed the learning skills at least now you don't have to spend ~30 days getting prepared to train and that's only for +9 attributes not +10. If you're new there used to be no neural remaps and your initial attributes were 10 points lower than they are now you had to train a total of 10 skills to rank V to get your +10, two books per attribute one rank 1 and one rank 3 skill each.

At least now you don't have to extend your time in level 1s while you train up to start training up. Since the skills made such a big difference even over the short term compared to untrained learning skills you'd have been a fool not to max (or at least heavily invest in them) quickly if you had any intention at all of subbing.

This is now and will always be a bad idea.

Don't get me wrong... I can understand why people want this - and I've done a good share of my own cross training that I'd not have done otherwise. But feel it'd be bad for the game overall.

I support the OP.

The arguments that a skill reset would remove the need for attributes and implants, is stupid and comes from people who have no clue. You still need all those to gain skills in the first place.

Also, people talk like if 90% of eve's players will just reset their skills a couple times a year, switching to the next FOTM. Well guess what, people still need Gallente/Minmatar cruiser lvl 5 to fly a Cynabal, and while Maelstroms might be the FOTM now, Naga and Talos is probably the FOTM BC's now. FOTM have several ship types, classes and races, so the crap about people resetting their skills every time a nerf happens, is just idiotic and maybe applies to 1-2% of the playerbase.

This option will adress those people like me, that got barge5/exhumers 3 on my titan pilot. I want it to go away, i have no use for it, and i would gladly pay a plex to be able to reset my skills on that toon, so i can shape it to how i want it now, not how i wanted it for like 6 years ago.

And tbh, i dont really understand, why people are fighting this. Will this make your pvp any worse? Will your enemies suddenly be godlike or somehow invincible? I bet you wont even notice, and if you dont like the change, feel free to ignore it..

Edit: If people's argument over this, is that players with a lot of skillpoints are able to switch to FOTM and its unfair, then maybe character trading should be disabled, as this too is an easy way to skip training skills and quickly be able to fly whatever FOTM, almost instantly. And this pretty much is ONLY for the richkids.

I still don't regret training for a Rattlesnake.
I trained long for it and I'm not finished yet. But I will do so. Even with all the changes to mission AI, etc. I think even drones will get a bat slap in some overdoing session. I still like this playstyle and it's by far not obsolete. It's just not that easy anymore.

Its already pay2win. Buy a plex or GTC and get "free isk". Loaded people can play without having to grind isk. Surely resetting SP's isn't pay2win.

Just so that i understand clearly what you mean, you want players to be able to double the skillpoints/hour of one skill, by taking skillpoints from other skills, and thus reducing the number of points in that skill?

That could be a way of doing it, and it would be okish for me.

Character trading is just as gamebreaking. Maybe you dont get exactly the skills you want, often you get wasted SP's, but you can easily buy a T3 or cap pilot, and thus skip months, if not years of training. Resetting skills dont let you do that, it just lets you readjust your character to your current needs. Think about it, some people have played this for 6 or 7 years now, or even more, and might not want those skills they thought would be a good idea to train, 7years+ ago.

char selling is not p2w necessarily. I have known a char buyer who wanted to skip the eve grind. Bought himself a nice char, and commenced to diaf often with it. In rather expensive rides...high sp can't fix bad game play due to lack of actual playing time. Said it before say it again...if you can't fly a t1 cruiser worth a damn a hac is not going to magically fix that.


However a yearly sp shift when ccp "nerfs" one ride and buffs another can have vets in the latest craze boat in less than 5 minutes. And it takes about a year for ccp to go ohh crap we done messed up to rebalance a boat usually. Nano lived a good long while. The mommie spammers had a very long run on the server till ccp said yeah...these are a bit much. And well drake train has been going for a good while, HML nerf led to HAM spam...and well now we have to wait for the new BC changes to hit to get the grid nerfs its slated to have that put in check.

Why do you need a skill reset?

Let´s recapitulate all posible skills.

All Drone Industry, Trading, Electronic, Engineering, Mechanic, Science, Corparation, PI, Leadership and Sozial skills won´t need to be reseted, cause if you used them before you will also use them after the rebalance. And if you want to change your profession, start learning a new profession. A reset would just be abused for this.

The only thing that is slightly adjusted is the strength of some ships and their weapon typ in combat. But I would say Drones should be known by all pilots doesn´t matter which race you fly. Missiles are only totally useless for Gallente, cause their missile ships are better used for EWAR or Interdictions and can also use hybrid guns. And finally if you trained one kind of turret so far that you can use large T2 guns, you only need 1 month to learn large T2 guns of an other typ.

So now finished with the Weapons, lets get to the ships. The Industrials and Haulers are quit immune against any kind of rebalance, or better saying it is hard to make them worser in Combat then they are now. If you can fly all T2 and T3 subcaps of one race perfect, you only need 3 month to fly another race as good as the first one. And the Capitals well I can´t fly any Capital but i would assume if you can fly a Capital, you invested enough time in it to not just erase all the skill. You would only do so if you lost your Capital and now are so pissed that you don´t want to fly it anymore, but need the SP somewhere else. It would be again just a change of profession, so why should this be supported.

I also have a lot of useless skills and some also maxed like Industrial for example. I trained cause i thought it maybe usefull for T2-Industrials or mining barges, but mostly only use the barges if I need some omber for storyline missions.

Yes,

My reason for wanting this is simple.

I have trained into ships that I no longer use for my playstyle.

Example - Tengu

For a while I was using the tengu as my lvl 4 mission boat, but since all 4 strategic cruisers are bound to get nerfed due to their extreme power compared to their size(expecially the tengu), it no longer fits that role for me.
Some people could say I could simply use the tengu skills for something else, but since I'm not willing to waist 600 mil and more on a ship to use it for things I don't do such as scanning/WH/FW etc., and since i'm not going to drop that money into pvp either, then I feel I rightly deserve to use that SP elsewhere since it wasn't me just wanting something new, but rather planning for the innevitable nerf.