Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Heads up, as Destination SkillQueue pointed out there is one other time this happened. But the new skills did it all and the rest was free SP to move around. Again, not the same as this idea at all.

But damn it Tippia, you're spoiling the fun with facts.

You forgot about the subtext of OMGPAY2WIN AND FREE2PLAY CAUSE I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE AND THINK THEY APPLY TO EVE!!!!1111ELEVENTYONE

No one said a change made the skills useless, however, the skills are useless to me if it changes the very reason I trained for something.

I trained for a Nightmare to replace my Tengu just before they nerfed heavy missiles.

Had heavy missiles been balanced in the first place, I may not have trained for the Tengu.


When I was a noob, I was training Gallente.
One day I went out in a scanner boat trying to experience new things and managed to scan down a Golem.

I fell in love with what I was seeing and when I expressed to the pilot that I wanted to fly one of those, he said "You can, just train for it.."

Until that point I knew nothing of missile boats, nor that I could cross train into caldari ships.

This is not my fault. CCP provides no information to new players on this information.
By this time I had already trained up for a Megathron, though only with t1 modules and fittings, and only with BS lvl 3.


Point is that in both cases had CCP provided me with information and/or had something balanced properly before I began training, then I probably would have spent that SP elsewhere.



Oh, and CCP has also stated that they will refund SP if a player presents a good enough reason for wanting to.
I'm sure CCP would probably refund my SP, but I'd rather just wait to see if they're going to implement something in game to allow it.

that is frankly tough ****. just because u no longer want to use it does not mean other ppl dnt. u skilled into it knowing that it was a very efficient ship, and good for u for figuring that out. but now its been nerfed. tough luck, ur character is in no way crippled, u are at no particular disadvantage and u can still use the tengu for other things if u want. there is absolutely no reason for a skill respec. u do not get to jump ur SP around when u feel like flying one ship this year and then another the next. that would just encourage FOTM gameplay, and most ppl understand that that is not a good thing.

You troll and post without reading, When answered and your points proven void, you simply repeat yourself and your Ideas, It's getting old, we heard you the first 20 times, and proved you wrong the first 20 times, you repeating yourself and saying we don't know what were talking about when it's obviously you who is having the issues defending your points is pathetic, especially when you insult people in politically correct manners thinking we are not intelligent enough to know what you mean.

1. As we have said before the Skill reallocation has been used multiple times over the years. (Look it up)

2. As we have said before Adn as CCP stated, and by definition the sell of Plex is in fact a "Micro transaction".

3. I don't go Nu uhh, I defend my points with logic and concrete facts. I have yet to see you post anything other then an "OPINION".

I am honestly not sure how you get so confused and can twist reality into fantasy, but if something IS the definition of something then it IS that something no matter what you personally define it as.

You should re-read the original Post there are like 4-6 reasons for why to do this, nerfs are simply one of them. And most of them have nothing to do with ships and mods.

Also you are forgetting that Nerfs are not the only reason I am suggesting this. So even if you disagree with that specific reason, there are others to consider.

You can't please everyone with a system like this, and as I said previously, there are issues which you all agreed with me on. This does solve "some of them". And there is no actual evidence which points to this being a bad or game breaking idea, In fact the evidence (even listed by you all concerning such) considering this feature is already in game and has been for years only points to the exact Opposite:

That it will work. And that it is a stable model and system.

Your personal choice not to use your refunded SP is your personal choice. Let other people make their own choice also instead of demanding they see things your way and do as you desire. This isn't communism, and Eve isn't about Dictatorship. Its about choice and the Freedom to do as you desire, so approve of this system so that others like you can make their own damn choice if nothing else.

1. CCP refunds SP to new players all the time because of this. And they specifically stated they would until a system could be implemented to remove the need (as someone else posted about earlier). (Yes they also Posted they wouldn't add a Skill remap, but its the only system that solves this issue really and it wouldn't be the first time they changed their mind.)

2. Very few new players actually read about Eve before they try it or play it. I sure as hell didn't I saw spaceships and watch some trailers about the beta and went THAT LOOKS AWSOME, So I tried it.

Today people watch the trailers and then begin to play the game, they don't spend days and weeks trying to learn about Eve before they play it, they want to play a game and have fun, not attend a college course on how Eve works before hand.

This is such a BS analogy...

The appropriate analogy is:

You bought a Big Screen TV from the cable company and have been using it for many months... It does EVERYTHING you've want it to do, good picture, every channel, good sound, etc... Suddenly, the cable company changes their stream format (to make other TV brands usable too, to improve the general quality of offerings, etc), and your big screen TV is limited in the channels it can watch. Generally speaking, you can still watch most of the old channels, but it's quality isn't as good as it was before. You act as though the cable company is "required" to allow you to replace your old TV with a new one so you can have the highest quality, every channel, etc.... and that the cable company should be the one that eats the losses.

i would say they should suffer the consequences then. fair enough trying a free trial, but its well understood a free trial doesnt give u a true insight into eve. if ur dumb enough to pay real money before finding out what ur letting urself in for then that really is ur own fault. it is widely documented that eve is a complex and harsh game, not for the faint of heart, full of 'elite' players and a hell for newer players. and thank god, its like a pre-screening for ppl with common sense and conviction.

u can see that the game LOOKS awesome and then think 'ill read up on it first to see if its my sort of game before paying real life money for it' or thats what someone with common sense might do