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Skill reallocation Option needs to finally be added and why
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#321 - 2013-01-15 23:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
"Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.


EvE is NOT free to play.... nor is it Pay to Win...

You can ONLY play eve by PURCHASING game time from CCP. CCP does NOT allow you to play UNLESS you purchase game time from them.

Just because another player can purchase that game time from CCP and give it to you doesn't change the fundamental fact that you cannot play without purchasing gametime from CCP. Even if you never pay a cent of RL cash for your account, someone did.. .which makes this NOT free to play!!!



Wrong.

1. Download a trial fro FREE from the main website
2. Make 400 - 600 Million ISK (Depending on what the current in game plex is) in 15-20 days (Whichever trial you have)
3. Buy and activate PLEX

Enjoy playing Eve for free.

I have done this with 3 of my 5 accounts.

You do not have to purchase game time from CCP period. I havn't paid CCP to play EVE in 5 years.

---

If YOU never pay CCP, then YOU are in fact playing for free.

This is the standard model for F2P games (Though CCPs model has some Unique aspects), they all offer subs as well. DUST 514 is also F2P. And the ISK from DUST is transferable to your EVE characters.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#322 - 2013-01-15 23:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
"Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.


Canada has universal health care for citizens... Is there health care free?
The U.S. gives Social Security to the elderly... Is that free money?
The U.S. provides public education to the young... Is that free?

In all of the above situations, from the perspective of the individual, they might think they are getting the service for free. However, canadian citizens pay income tax (and/or premiums) to pay for their health insurance. The Elderly and the companies they worked for payed social security taxes to the government when they were younger. Public education is funded by state & federal income taxes, as well as property taxes. None of these services are free...

Just like EvE online is NOT free to play.... ultimately someone pays CCP so you can play the game... just because you sucked someone's **** to get that play time does NOT make it free...

*edit* You are very short sighted, and don't look at the big picture...
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#323 - 2013-01-15 23:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
"Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.


Canada has universal health care for citizens... Is there health care free?
The U.S. gives Social Security to the elderly... Is that free money?
The U.S. provides public education to the young... Is that free?

In all of the above situations, from the perspective of the individual, they might think they are getting the service for free. However, canadian citizens pay income tax (and/or premiums) to pay for their health insurance. The Elderly and the companies they worked for payed social security taxes to the government when they were younger. Public education is funded by state & federal income taxes, as well as property taxes. None of these services are free...

Just like EvE online is NOT free to play.... ultimately someone pays CCP so you can play the game... just because you sucked someone's **** to get that play time does NOT make it free...


For the people who do not work a day in their life and live on welfare (Which is a lot of people these days) Yes it is in fact free to THEM, everyone else just pays for it through taxes.

If you don't work however, you don't get taxed.

If I never pay a dime to CCP, then I am playing their game for free.

People are not forced to buy plex and sell it on the market, it is entirely VOLUNTARY, which means it is in fact a free to play Game, CCP's subscription is VOLUNTARY, not required just like every other F2P game out there.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#324 - 2013-01-15 23:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
"Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.


Canada has universal health care for citizens... Is there health care free?
The U.S. gives Social Security to the elderly... Is that free money?
The U.S. provides public education to the young... Is that free?

In all of the above situations, from the perspective of the individual, they might think they are getting the service for free. However, canadian citizens pay income tax (and/or premiums) to pay for their health insurance. The Elderly and the companies they worked for payed social security taxes to the government when they were younger. Public education is funded by state & federal income taxes, as well as property taxes. None of these services are free...

Just like EvE online is NOT free to play.... ultimately someone pays CCP so you can play the game... just because you sucked someone's **** to get that play time does NOT make it free...


For the people who do not work a day in their life and live on welfare (Which is a lot of people these days) Yes it is in fact free to THEM, everyone else just pays for it through taxes.

If you don't work however, you don't get taxed.


It doesn't matter if it's free to them... What matters is if it's paid work or volunteer work to the Doctor providing the health care. What matters is if it's paid work or volunteer work for the Teacher providing instruction.

And just because some of our societies honorably support the elderly and the enfeeble via social programs; Just because some of our societies help people that have legitimately fallen on hard times and briefly utilize unemployment and/or welfare to stabilize their fall while they work to become contributing members to society again; Just because some of our societies stupidly pay lazy bums to sit on their ass and breed.... doesn't change the fundamental principle that all of these goods and services cost money... and NONE of them are FREE.

And you know what, your mentality that these are free services because some people can get them without immediately paying for them is exactly the pisspoor, fuckered up attitude that perpetuates this ridiculous viewpoint. These are NOT free... and anyone, like you, that stands around proclaiming to the world how they are free is doing EVERYONE a horrific disservice, and you should be ashamed... what is wrong with you? How can you possibly think in such a short sighted and selfish way?? Please... do us all a favor and NEVER VOTE....

Back to ingame topics... You might be able to pay for a whole bunch of your accounts by giving other people your in-game assets, but that doesn't make the accounts free. You still had to work and contribute the acquire those assets.... and someone else paid for your accounts. From CCP's perspective... those accounts are absolutely NOT free...
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#325 - 2013-01-15 23:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
"Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.


Canada has universal health care for citizens... Is there health care free?
The U.S. gives Social Security to the elderly... Is that free money?
The U.S. provides public education to the young... Is that free?

In all of the above situations, from the perspective of the individual, they might think they are getting the service for free. However, canadian citizens pay income tax (and/or premiums) to pay for their health insurance. The Elderly and the companies they worked for payed social security taxes to the government when they were younger. Public education is funded by state & federal income taxes, as well as property taxes. None of these services are free...

Just like EvE online is NOT free to play.... ultimately someone pays CCP so you can play the game... just because you sucked someone's **** to get that play time does NOT make it free...


For the people who do not work a day in their life and live on welfare (Which is a lot of people these days) Yes it is in fact free to THEM, everyone else just pays for it through taxes.

If you don't work however, you don't get taxed.


It doesn't matter if it's free to them... What matters is if it's paid work or volunteer work to the Doctor providing the health care. What matters is if it's paid work or volunteer work for the Teacher providing instruction.

And just because some of our societies honorably support the elderly and the enfeeble via social programs; Just because some of our societies help people that have legitimately fallen on hard times and briefly utilize unemployment and/or welfare to stabilize their fall while they work to become contributing members to society again; Just because some of our societies stupidly pay lazy bums to sit on their ass and breed.... doesn't change the fundamental principle that all of these goods and services cost money... and NONE of them are FREE.

And you know what, your mentality that these are free services because some people can get them without immediately paying for them is exactly the pisspoor, fuckered up attitude that perpetuates this ridiculous viewpoint. These are NOT free... and anyone, like you, that stands around proclaiming to the world how they are free is doing EVERYONE a horrific disservice, and you should be ashamed... what is wrong with you? How can you possibly think in such a short sighted and selfish way?? Please... do us all a favor and NEVER VOTE....


Dude seriously. That analogy in no way fits.

Free is Free. Period.

However:

If CCP removed Plexes then you would be Correct, Eve would then be a Pay to PLay game. Hell if CCP made you actually pay for the game itself, it would be like Guildwars 2 in a way.

But they dont. You can download the game for free, and play the game for free, if your willing to do the work in game to earn it. Otherwise yes you have to pay.

This is still a FREE 2 PLAY, MODEL by definition.

A NON free to play game FORCES you to pay a Sub. Like AION for example. And like WoW. Or teh new TERA ONLINE Neither of which has any option for playing for free.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#326 - 2013-01-15 23:49:31 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
"Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.


Canada has universal health care for citizens... Is there health care free?
The U.S. gives Social Security to the elderly... Is that free money?
The U.S. provides public education to the young... Is that free?

In all of the above situations, from the perspective of the individual, they might think they are getting the service for free. However, canadian citizens pay income tax (and/or premiums) to pay for their health insurance. The Elderly and the companies they worked for payed social security taxes to the government when they were younger. Public education is funded by state & federal income taxes, as well as property taxes. None of these services are free...

Just like EvE online is NOT free to play.... ultimately someone pays CCP so you can play the game... just because you sucked someone's **** to get that play time does NOT make it free...


For the people who do not work a day in their life and live on welfare (Which is a lot of people these days) Yes it is in fact free to THEM, everyone else just pays for it through taxes.

If you don't work however, you don't get taxed.


It doesn't matter if it's free to them... What matters is if it's paid work or volunteer work to the Doctor providing the health care. What matters is if it's paid work or volunteer work for the Teacher providing instruction.

And just because some of our societies honorably support the elderly and the enfeeble via social programs; Just because some of our societies help people that have legitimately fallen on hard times and briefly utilize unemployment and/or welfare to stabilize their fall while they work to become contributing members to society again; Just because some of our societies stupidly pay lazy bums to sit on their ass and breed.... doesn't change the fundamental principle that all of these goods and services cost money... and NONE of them are FREE.

And you know what, your mentality that these are free services because some people can get them without immediately paying for them is exactly the pisspoor, fuckered up attitude that perpetuates this ridiculous viewpoint. These are NOT free... and anyone, like you, that stands around proclaiming to the world how they are free is doing EVERYONE a horrific disservice, and you should be ashamed... what is wrong with you? How can you possibly think in such a short sighted and selfish way?? Please... do us all a favor and NEVER VOTE....


Dude seriously. That analogy in no way fits.

Free is Free. Period.

However:

If CCP removed Plexes then you would be Correct, Eve would then be a Pay to PLay game. Hell if CCP made you actually pay for the game itself, it would be like Guildwars 2 in a way.

But they dont. You can download the game for free, and play the game for free, if your willing to do the work in game to earn it. Otherwise yes you have to pay.

This is still a FREE 2 PLAY, MODEL by definition.

A NON free to play game FORCES you to pay a Sub. Like AION for example. And like WoW. Neither of which has any option for playing for free.



From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play....
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#327 - 2013-01-15 23:52:09 UTC
Quote:
From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play....




You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#328 - 2013-01-15 23:53:21 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play....




You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model.


Except it isnt. Every plex in the game is money in CCPs wallet. Just because you arent paying real money to play doesnt mean someone isnt paying CCP for you
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#329 - 2013-01-15 23:59:45 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I always find it hilarious how armchair game developers try to tell everyone about their vision of how microtransactions and F2P work.

-Liang

Ed: Also, Eve is not P2W.


Taken from wikkiapedia:

Specifically this section:

Quote:
Free-to-play games that include a microtransaction model are sometimes referred to as "freemium",[1] although applications offering microtransactions should not be confused with free applications that offer additional features via subscription services. "Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions The objective with a free-to-play microtransaction model is to get more players into the game and provide desirable items or features that players can purchase if they are interested in them - it is hoped that in the long-term the profits from a microtransaction system will outweigh the profits from a one-time-purchase game.
Items and features available by microtransaction can range from cosmetic (such as decorative character attire) to functional (such as weapons and items).[2] Some games allow players to acquire items that can be purchased through normal means, while others include items that can only be obtained through microtransaction.


Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN.


You fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#330 - 2013-01-16 00:01:48 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play....




You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model.


Except it isnt. Every plex in the game is money in CCPs wallet. Just because you arent paying real money to play doesnt mean someone isnt paying CCP for you


http://www.ign.com/wikis/free-to-play-games/Free-to-Play_in_2012_(A-L)
EvE online is not listed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_massively_multiplayer_online_games
EvE online is not listed...

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/29/eve-evolved-could-eve-online-go-free-to-play/
^^ An Article on how EvE online is NOT Free to play....
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#331 - 2013-01-16 00:08:53 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I always find it hilarious how armchair game developers try to tell everyone about their vision of how microtransactions and F2P work.

-Liang

Ed: Also, Eve is not P2W.


Taken from wikkiapedia:

Specifically this section:

Quote:
Free-to-play games that include a microtransaction model are sometimes referred to as "freemium",[1] although applications offering microtransactions should not be confused with free applications that offer additional features via subscription services. "Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions The objective with a free-to-play microtransaction model is to get more players into the game and provide desirable items or features that players can purchase if they are interested in them - it is hoped that in the long-term the profits from a microtransaction system will outweigh the profits from a one-time-purchase game.
Items and features available by microtransaction can range from cosmetic (such as decorative character attire) to functional (such as weapons and items).[2] Some games allow players to acquire items that can be purchased through normal means, while others include items that can only be obtained through microtransaction.


Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN.


You fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry.

-Liang


Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#332 - 2013-01-16 00:11:11 UTC
Are you stupid?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#333 - 2013-01-16 00:12:54 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:


Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.
And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN.


Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh?


lulz

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#334 - 2013-01-16 00:13:36 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play....




You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model.


Except it isnt. Every plex in the game is money in CCPs wallet. Just because you arent paying real money to play doesnt mean someone isnt paying CCP for you


http://www.ign.com/wikis/free-to-play-games/Free-to-Play_in_2012_(A-L)
EvE online is not listed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_massively_multiplayer_online_games
EvE online is not listed...

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/29/eve-evolved-could-eve-online-go-free-to-play/
^^ An Article on how EvE online is NOT Free to play....


I also said to look up gaming models for free to play. The one Eve online has is listed.

Eve online is:

Pay for sub unless:

* You pay with ISK.

Download is:

Free with Trial.

While it's true it doesn't meet the requirements as well as some of the other games do, Eve is still F2P, Perpetuum has the same Bussiness Model as Eve does (To the letter, Pay sub unless you can buy ICE with in game currency, ICE = Plex). And they Clearly state themselves as Free to play or they did when I played it.

Both companies have the exact same business model, One chooses to call itself free to play One doesn't, it doesn't change what it is.

Its the same as Murder, being stated as self defense. In either case, you still killed someone.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#335 - 2013-01-16 00:13:44 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Are you stupid?

-Liang

Did you SEE that hurricane fit I linked earlier? Then on top of that did you see him try to defend it like it wasn't a total piece of crap?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#336 - 2013-01-16 00:14:38 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play....




You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model.


Except it isnt. Every plex in the game is money in CCPs wallet. Just because you arent paying real money to play doesnt mean someone isnt paying CCP for you


http://www.ign.com/wikis/free-to-play-games/Free-to-Play_in_2012_(A-L)
EvE online is not listed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_massively_multiplayer_online_games
EvE online is not listed...

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/29/eve-evolved-could-eve-online-go-free-to-play/
^^ An Article on how EvE online is NOT Free to play....


I also said to look up gaming models for free to play. The one Eve online has is listed.

Eve online is:

Pay for sub unless:

* You pay with ISK.

Download is:

Free with Trial.

While it's true it doesn't meet the requirements as well as some of the other games do, Eve is still F2P, Perpetuum has the same Bussiness Model as Eve does (To the letter, Pay sub unless you can buy ICE with in game currency, ICE = Plex). And they Clearly state themselves as Free to play or they did when I played it.

Both companies have the exact same business model, One chooses to call itself free to play One doesn't, it doesn't change what it is.

Its the same as Murder, being stated as self defense. In either case, you still killed someone.


Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#337 - 2013-01-16 00:15:59 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:


Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.
And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN.


Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh?


lulz


I mentioned it was free to play yes, but our argument was not about free to play it was about PAY TO WIN.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#338 - 2013-01-16 00:17:05 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry.

-Liang
I still don't understand how this helps op prove his idea isn't terrible?
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#339 - 2013-01-16 00:18:01 UTC
Quote:


Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry.

-Liang


I understand the definition of free to play and their business models just fine. You all fail to realize this thread is about Skill remaps, Not pay 2 win, or free to play. And you all keep trolling off subject.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#340 - 2013-01-16 00:20:03 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:


Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play.
And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN.


Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh?


lulz


I mentioned it was free to play yes, but our argument was not about free to play it was about PAY TO WIN.


Eve is not a free to play game. Eve is not a pay to win game. You fundamentally misunderstand both terms.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.