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Skill reallocation Option needs to finally be added and why
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#201 - 2013-01-15 07:54:07 UTC

Quote:


Lots of stuff----

actually, goons just have so many people online that when people decide to attack goons, they get overwhelmed, not because goons have loads of cash, but because they have very very rediculusly high numbers of participating combatents to the point where people can miss a CTA and not get yelled at because the sheer volume of people that initially went was more then enough to scare a fleet away.

now goons typically run the flavor of the week setups in BC's, or other cheaper ships.




I tell you what, well both start new chars, I'll buy a plex and pop + 5's into my head, and I will be in a fully fit top tier combat ship 3 months before you. I will also have close to double the amount of SP you do.

All because I bought a plex and used it to get myself some +5 Implants.


*** You however, are not allowed to buy a plex and must train and work for everything the old fashioned way. (because you are playing the role of the poor player who can't afford to buy a plex)


I would call that giving me an unfair advantage. Wouldn't you?


Its kind of like saying I'll drive my car while you run along beside me in a race and see who wins. It wont be you.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#202 - 2013-01-15 08:00:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
cytheras wrath wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

A larger ship is not the end all be all of combat.... But, Since I fly a Shield tanking BS, and kill everything from frigs to t3 cruisers, to other battleships in it, with Neuts, webs and torps which hit out to 30k and 60k depending on my ammo. Perhaps when fit right, they are. Or perhaps it's simply my play style.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Malcorian+Vandsteidt#losses

your arguement is invalid, you sir, are a nullsec lacky, basicly a filler in a fleet of numbers.

in a fleet of number, if you add 100 dps or 1000 dps, you only apply your dps for a set amount of time, and then get a kill mail and some experiance. and since your in nullsec, the people you face are either solo, or small gang pirates looking for nullsec miners or ratters to kill.

do some 'real' pvp where you actually find, and kill a person 1 on 1. then come back and comment.


this character is over 5 years old if you seriously think that's all my kills your sadly mistaken. KB's don't show everything anymore especially on older characters. I also own 5 accounts, and 15 characters and am a beta player.

Like I said KB's mean jack, mainly because they do not explain situations and are generally inaccurate. And any veteran player understands that.

Kb's are a general look at a players possible statuses for kills, nothing more. I find alliances that worship their killboards hillarious, especially after they get wiped off the face of eve by some Noob indy corp with a ****** killboard. (Which happens more then you'd think).

You see Carebears don't get even by ship to ship combat generally, No the Carebears are the ones who put spies in your Corp/Alliance and then disband it and take everything you own. or give your enemies the passwords to your jump bridges, or your pos shields, or eject your ships and gear out into space, or empty your corp wallet, etc.....

Carebears are vengeful, nasties if you **** them off. And many of them have teeth sharper then any weapon.....

So yea I think Killboard glory hogs are hilarious.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-01-15 08:13:10 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Quote:


Lots of stuff----

actually, goons just have so many people online that when people decide to attack goons, they get overwhelmed, not because goons have loads of cash, but because they have very very rediculusly high numbers of participating combatents to the point where people can miss a CTA and not get yelled at because the sheer volume of people that initially went was more then enough to scare a fleet away.

now goons typically run the flavor of the week setups in BC's, or other cheaper ships.




I tell you what, well both start new chars, I'll buy a plex and pop + 5's into my head, and I will be in a fully fit top tier combat ship 3 months before you. I will also have close to double the amount of SP you do.

All because I bought a plex and used it to get myself some +5 Implants.


*** You however, are not allowed to buy a plex and must train and work for everything the old fashioned way. (because you are playing the role of the poor player who can't afford to buy a plex)


I would call that giving me an unfair advantage. Wouldn't you?


Its kind of like saying I'll drive my car while you run along beside me in a race and see who wins. It wont be you.

How are you going to put +5s in your head without cybernetics 5?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#204 - 2013-01-15 08:15:11 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
cytheras wrath wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

A larger ship is not the end all be all of combat.... But, Since I fly a Shield tanking BS, and kill everything from frigs to t3 cruisers, to other battleships in it, with Neuts, webs and torps which hit out to 30k and 60k depending on my ammo. Perhaps when fit right, they are. Or perhaps it's simply my play style.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Malcorian+Vandsteidt#losses

your arguement is invalid, you sir, are a nullsec lacky, basicly a filler in a fleet of numbers.

in a fleet of number, if you add 100 dps or 1000 dps, you only apply your dps for a set amount of time, and then get a kill mail and some experiance. and since your in nullsec, the people you face are either solo, or small gang pirates looking for nullsec miners or ratters to kill.

do some 'real' pvp where you actually find, and kill a person 1 on 1. then come back and comment.


this character is over 5 years old if you seriously think that's all my kills your sadly mistaken. KB's don't show everything anymore especially on older characters. I also own 5 accounts, and 15 characters and am a beta player.

Like I said KB's mean jack, mainly because they do not explain situations and are generally inaccurate. And any veteran player understands that.

Kb's are a general look at a players possible statuses for kills, nothing more. I find alliances that worship their killboards hillarious, especially after they get wiped off the face of eve by some Noob indy corp with a ****** killboard. (Which happens more then you'd think).


Heheheheheheheheheh..... people comparing the size of their KB....

And a torp BS killing frigates????????????????????????????????? really??? Are they sitting still with an MWD running??? It takes a special snowflake to die to torps while in a frigate...

P.S..... While I understand why you feel plex is pay to win.... I think you don't understand what the colloquial phrase means. You're too stuck up on the semantics to understand the nuances between Tradeable gametime and a Real Pay to Win System. That's ok though... just like you can improve your KB by working at it (it can only go up), keep thinking about it and you'll eventually see the difference.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#205 - 2013-01-15 08:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
cytheras wrath wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

A larger ship is not the end all be all of combat.... But, Since I fly a Shield tanking BS, and kill everything from frigs to t3 cruisers, to other battleships in it, with Neuts, webs and torps which hit out to 30k and 60k depending on my ammo. Perhaps when fit right, they are. Or perhaps it's simply my play style.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Malcorian+Vandsteidt#losses

your arguement is invalid, you sir, are a nullsec lacky, basicly a filler in a fleet of numbers.

in a fleet of number, if you add 100 dps or 1000 dps, you only apply your dps for a set amount of time, and then get a kill mail and some experiance. and since your in nullsec, the people you face are either solo, or small gang pirates looking for nullsec miners or ratters to kill.

do some 'real' pvp where you actually find, and kill a person 1 on 1. then come back and comment.


this character is over 5 years old if you seriously think that's all my kills your sadly mistaken. KB's don't show everything anymore especially on older characters. I also own 5 accounts, and 15 characters and am a beta player.

Like I said KB's mean jack, mainly because they do not explain situations and are generally inaccurate. And any veteran player understands that.

Kb's are a general look at a players possible statuses for kills, nothing more. I find alliances that worship their killboards hillarious, especially after they get wiped off the face of eve by some Noob indy corp with a ****** killboard. (Which happens more then you'd think).


Heheheheheheheheheh..... people comparing the size of their KB....

And a torp BS killing frigates????????????????????????????????? really??? Are they sitting still with an MWD running??? It takes a special snowflake to die to torps while in a frigate...

P.S..... While I understand why you feel plex is pay to win.... I think you don't understand what the colloquial phrase means. You're too stuck up on the semantics to understand the nuances between Tradeable gametime and a Real Pay to Win System. That's ok though... just like you can improve your KB by working at it (it can only go up), keep thinking about it and you'll eventually see the difference.


1. I fly a rattlesnake, (and the fact that I fly one of those for PvP should tell you about my finances as well as my SP) You should study your ships more (will help you understand why it's such a good ship, and yet why so few fly it). And yes it will kill everything from a frigate, to a battleship, including t3's. 1v1, and.. your mwd isn't much use if you have no cap with which to use it is it? Heavy Nuets have a 25km range, and if your outseide that, Im sure my warrior 2's + my torps can take care of you. They have others.

The rattler isn't flown by a lot of people because it requires a serious knowledge of the game itself and pvp mechanics, as well as the ability to manage multiple weapon systems simultaneously. It is a ship for someone who prefers to use their mind in combat rather then simply point and shoot. And it is not an easy ship to master.


2. I am not stuck on semantics, I am stuck on simple logical realistic facts. Pay to win means exactly what the definition says, and no matter how elegant you try to put it, Pay to win, is still pay to win. And by definition that is exactly what a Plex allows you to do.

3. It doesn't take that long to get cyber 5. (Especially if you stick basics in then standards, then the +5's)
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#206 - 2013-01-15 08:27:22 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
cytheras wrath wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

A larger ship is not the end all be all of combat.... But, Since I fly a Shield tanking BS, and kill everything from frigs to t3 cruisers, to other battleships in it, with Neuts, webs and torps which hit out to 30k and 60k depending on my ammo. Perhaps when fit right, they are. Or perhaps it's simply my play style.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Malcorian+Vandsteidt#losses

your arguement is invalid, you sir, are a nullsec lacky, basicly a filler in a fleet of numbers.

in a fleet of number, if you add 100 dps or 1000 dps, you only apply your dps for a set amount of time, and then get a kill mail and some experiance. and since your in nullsec, the people you face are either solo, or small gang pirates looking for nullsec miners or ratters to kill.

do some 'real' pvp where you actually find, and kill a person 1 on 1. then come back and comment.


this character is over 5 years old if you seriously think that's all my kills your sadly mistaken. KB's don't show everything anymore especially on older characters. I also own 5 accounts, and 15 characters and am a beta player.

Like I said KB's mean jack, mainly because they do not explain situations and are generally inaccurate. And any veteran player understands that.

Kb's are a general look at a players possible statuses for kills, nothing more. I find alliances that worship their killboards hillarious, especially after they get wiped off the face of eve by some Noob indy corp with a ****** killboard. (Which happens more then you'd think).


Heheheheheheheheheh..... people comparing the size of their KB....

And a torp BS killing frigates????????????????????????????????? really??? Are they sitting still with an MWD running??? It takes a special snowflake to die to torps while in a frigate...

P.S..... While I understand why you feel plex is pay to win.... I think you don't understand what the colloquial phrase means. You're too stuck up on the semantics to understand the nuances between Tradeable gametime and a Real Pay to Win System. That's ok though... just like you can improve your KB by working at it (it can only go up), keep thinking about it and you'll eventually see the difference.


1. It's called a rattlesnake, (and the fact that I fly one of those for PvP should tell you about my finances as well as my SP) You should study your ships more. And yes it will kill everything from a frigate, to a battleship, including t3's. 1v1, and.. your mwd isn't much use if you have no cap with which to use it is it? Heavy Nuets have a 25km range, and if your outseide that, Im sure my warrior 2's + my torps can take care of you. They have others.


2. I am not stuck on semantics, I am stuck on simple logical realistic facts. Pay to win means exactly what the definition says, and no matter how elegant you try to put it, Pay to win, is still pay to win. And by definition that is exactly what a Plex allows you to do.

3. It doesn't take that long to get cyber 5.
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#207 - 2013-01-15 08:29:55 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
cytheras wrath wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

A larger ship is not the end all be all of combat.... But, Since I fly a Shield tanking BS, and kill everything from frigs to t3 cruisers, to other battleships in it, with Neuts, webs and torps which hit out to 30k and 60k depending on my ammo. Perhaps when fit right, they are. Or perhaps it's simply my play style.


http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Malcorian+Vandsteidt#losses

your arguement is invalid, you sir, are a nullsec lacky, basicly a filler in a fleet of numbers.

in a fleet of number, if you add 100 dps or 1000 dps, you only apply your dps for a set amount of time, and then get a kill mail and some experiance. and since your in nullsec, the people you face are either solo, or small gang pirates looking for nullsec miners or ratters to kill.

do some 'real' pvp where you actually find, and kill a person 1 on 1. then come back and comment.


this character is over 5 years old if you seriously think that's all my kills your sadly mistaken. KB's don't show everything anymore especially on older characters. I also own 5 accounts, and 15 characters and am a beta player.

Like I said KB's mean jack, mainly because they do not explain situations and are generally inaccurate. And any veteran player understands that.

Kb's are a general look at a players possible statuses for kills, nothing more. I find alliances that worship their killboards hillarious, especially after they get wiped off the face of eve by some Noob indy corp with a ****** killboard. (Which happens more then you'd think).


Heheheheheheheheheh..... people comparing the size of their KB....

And a torp BS killing frigates????????????????????????????????? really??? Are they sitting still with an MWD running??? It takes a special snowflake to die to torps while in a frigate...

P.S..... While I understand why you feel plex is pay to win.... I think you don't understand what the colloquial phrase means. You're too stuck up on the semantics to understand the nuances between Tradeable gametime and a Real Pay to Win System. That's ok though... just like you can improve your KB by working at it (it can only go up), keep thinking about it and you'll eventually see the difference.


It's called a rattlesnake, (and the fact that I fly one of those for PvP should tell you about my finances as well as my SP) You should study your ships more. And yes it will kill everything from a frigate, to a battleship, including t3's. 1v1, and.. your mwd isn't much use if you have no cap with which to use it is it? Heavy Nuets have a 25km range, and if your outseide that, Im sure my warrior 2's + my torps can take care of you. They have others.


Drones do not equal torps, webs, or neuts.... and bonused drones is really fighting dirty!!!!!

Heavy neuts are easy to counter in a frigate, just fit a NOS... even webbed your torps won't do jack **** to most frigates... However, I'd probably run out of ammo before I get through a RS's tank, and your bonused light drones would be brutal... I'd still generally attack a Domi or RS, and hope you don't have multiple flights of light drones... It would be a tough battle.. but a risk well worth the reward!

p.s. I've soloed ravens in a rifter... I'm well aware of the capabilities of most ships in game...
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#208 - 2013-01-15 08:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Quote:
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.



You underestimate the ship.

It has:

Over 260,000 EFHP
75%-90% resists depending on your hardeners and such or how you set it up across the board.
Over 1,200 - 1,500 DPS.

And that fit by the way, is about 600 Mil Ship included. If you were to actually dump some ISK into it.... Man your talking serious Monster.

So yea, i fly the cheapest Pirate battleship. It also happens to be the best Pirate ship if you know what your doing with it.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#209 - 2013-01-15 08:34:24 UTC
As far as you killing me, you may be able to, you may not, That's the beauty of Eve, you never know when your going to die. But the one thing you should never do is underestimate an opponent.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#210 - 2013-01-15 08:34:54 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.



You underestimate the ship.

It has:

Over 260,000 EFHP
75%-90% resists depending on your hardeners and such or how you set it up across the board.
Over 1,200 - 1,500 DPS.

And that fit by the way, is about 600 Mil Ship included. If you were to actually dump some ISK into it.... Man your talking serious Monster.

So yea, i fly the cheapest Pirate battleship. It also happens to be the best Pirate ship if you know what your doing with it.

Machriel says hi.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#211 - 2013-01-15 08:37:01 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.



You underestimate the ship.

It has:

Over 260,000 EFHP
75%-90% resists depending on your hardeners and such or how you set it up across the board.
Over 1,200 - 1,500 DPS.

And that fit by the way, is about 600 Mil Ship included. If you were to actually dump some ISK into it.... Man your talking serious Monster.

So yea, i fly the cheapest Pirate battleship. It also happens to be the best Pirate ship if you know what your doing with it.

Machriel says hi.


I can think of several cruisers that would take him out...
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#212 - 2013-01-15 08:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.



You underestimate the ship.

It has:

Over 260,000 EFHP
75%-90% resists depending on your hardeners and such or how you set it up across the board.
Over 1,200 - 1,500 DPS.

And that fit by the way, is about 600 Mil Ship included. If you were to actually dump some ISK into it.... Man your talking serious Monster.

So yea, i fly the cheapest Pirate battleship. It also happens to be the best Pirate ship if you know what your doing with it.

Machriel says hi.


If your macharial's hardeners can withstand neuts for a long drawn out battle and dishes out over 1500 - 2000 DPS (After resists), you can probably kill me.

It would be an interesting fight to say the least. And a long one. I'd pay to see it if I was a spectator.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#213 - 2013-01-15 08:38:52 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.



You underestimate the ship.

It has:

Over 260,000 EFHP
75%-90% resists depending on your hardeners and such or how you set it up across the board.
Over 1,200 - 1,500 DPS.

And that fit by the way, is about 600 Mil Ship included. If you were to actually dump some ISK into it.... Man your talking serious Monster.

So yea, i fly the cheapest Pirate battleship. It also happens to be the best Pirate ship if you know what your doing with it.

Machriel says hi.


I can think of several cruisers that would take him out...

So can I, but he said the snake is the best pirate bs out of all of them. The bhal for one hard counters him. And the mach also does everything the rattlesnake doesn't fare well against.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#214 - 2013-01-15 08:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Astroniomix wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Quote:
Congratz on being able to afford the least expensive pirate battleship in the game.
You seriously overestimate the effect of torps (4 unbonused torps I might add) have on anything that isn't another battleship.
And it doesn't take "that long" to get cyber 5 but it slows it down enough that by the time you get your ship I will already have it/be not far behind. Also I'd wager I could take you in pvp as judging by the way you've been posting I'd say you've never actually killed anything in that silly rattlesnake of yours.



You underestimate the ship.

It has:

Over 260,000 EFHP
75%-90% resists depending on your hardeners and such or how you set it up across the board.
Over 1,200 - 1,500 DPS.

And that fit by the way, is about 600 Mil Ship included. If you were to actually dump some ISK into it.... Man your talking serious Monster.

So yea, i fly the cheapest Pirate battleship. It also happens to be the best Pirate ship if you know what your doing with it.

Machriel says hi.


I can think of several cruisers that would take him out...

So can I, but he said the snake is the best pirate bs out of all of them. The bhal for one hard counters him. And the mach also does everything the rattlesnake doesn't fare well against.



Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt. it's all about being prepared. Game mechanic wise shield tanks are far superior to Armor tanks. When used correctly for the right situations. Their weakness however is Alphas from multiple ships.

And no cruiser does over 1500 dps with the exception of the Talos, and it is a BC not a cruiser.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#215 - 2013-01-15 08:41:53 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt.
He can turn off your neuts and hardeners. You aren't outneuting him. Ever. And then he gets to shoot into your gaping em resist hole.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#216 - 2013-01-15 08:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt.
He can turn off your neuts and hardeners. You aren't outneuting him. Ever. And then he gets to shoot into your gaping em resist hole.


If I fought the Ball I would use a tank similar to a Nighthawk Level 5 Mission tank, All passives and immune to neuts. And my cap would last a lot long then his with his lasers neuts, and everything else going. The Bahl eats cap like every amarr ship, its their weakness.

Hell even with active hardners (Invuls) I could simply buffer tank it with a slight passive regen and get shield that were 60,000 BASE (Which with a base that large slight passive is actually huge), making my EFHP about the size of a carrier in the 300,000 - 500,000 range). And still deal my DPS and neut him.


lots of possibilities with shield tanks my friend.

he might win, he might not, but like with the Machar, it would be an interesting and probably a very long fight.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#217 - 2013-01-15 08:53:29 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt.
He can turn off your neuts and hardeners. You aren't outneuting him. Ever. And then he gets to shoot into your gaping em resist hole.


If I fought the Ball I would use a tank similar to a Nighthawk Level 5 Mission tank, All passives and immune to neuts. And my cap would last a lot long then his with his lasers neuts, and everything else going. The Bahl eats cap like every amarr ship, its their weakness.

Hell even with active hardners (Invuls) I could simply buffer tank it with a slight passive regen and get shield that were 60,000 BASE (Which with a base that large slight passive is actually huge), making my EFHP about the size of a carrier in the 300,000 - 500,000 range). And still deal my DPS and neut him.


lots of possibilities with shield tanks my friend.

he might win, he might not, but like with the Machar, it would be an interesting and probably a very long fight.

I'd like to see a fit like that. Becauese you CAN get that out of a rattler, but you need to make some fairly epic sacrifices as well as turn yourself into a lumbering loot pinata to do it.
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#218 - 2013-01-15 08:58:44 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt.
He can turn off your neuts and hardeners. You aren't outneuting him. Ever. And then he gets to shoot into your gaping em resist hole.


If I fought the Ball I would use a tank similar to a Nighthawk Level 5 Mission tank, All passives and immune to neuts. And my cap would last a lot long then his with his lasers neuts, and everything else going. The Bahl eats cap like every amarr ship, its their weakness.

Hell even with active hardners (Invuls) I could simply buffer tank it with a slight passive regen and get shield that were 60,000 BASE (Which with a base that large slight passive is actually huge), making my EFHP about the size of a carrier in the 300,000 - 500,000 range). And still deal my DPS and neut him.


lots of possibilities with shield tanks my friend.

he might win, he might not, but like with the Machar, it would be an interesting and probably a very long fight.

I'd like to see a fit like that. Becauese you CAN get that out of a rattler, but you need to make some fairly epic sacrifices as well as turn yourself into a lumbering loot pinata to do it.



Knowing how to fit something is fully half the battle in pvp. :)
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#219 - 2013-01-15 09:08:36 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:

Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt.
He can turn off your neuts and hardeners. You aren't outneuting him. Ever. And then he gets to shoot into your gaping em resist hole.


If I fought the Ball I would use a tank similar to a Nighthawk Level 5 Mission tank, All passives and immune to neuts. And my cap would last a lot long then his with his lasers neuts, and everything else going. The Bahl eats cap like every amarr ship, its their weakness.

Hell even with active hardners (Invuls) I could simply buffer tank it with a slight passive regen and get shield that were 60,000 BASE (Which with a base that large slight passive is actually huge), making my EFHP about the size of a carrier in the 300,000 - 500,000 range). And still deal my DPS and neut him.


lots of possibilities with shield tanks my friend.

he might win, he might not, but like with the Machar, it would be an interesting and probably a very long fight.

I'd like to see a fit like that. Becauese you CAN get that out of a rattler, but you need to make some fairly epic sacrifices as well as turn yourself into a lumbering loot pinata to do it.



Knowing how to fit something is fully half the battle in pvp. :)

Indeed.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#220 - 2013-01-15 09:17:04 UTC
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
The definition of Pay to win is cut and dry, your opinion of what it SHOULD mean is irrelevant.

Pay to win means:

(Again): "Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means.

taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtransaction


THAT is the definition. and by that definition, Plexes are in fact Pay to win items.
Point me to ANY item in game a Plex can get you, that you cannot get by normal game play.

I'll wait.

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