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T1 sucks , the Snowball has landed

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#41 - 2013-01-12 23:26:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
I love it.


I can't wait till the minmatar and the gallente own 100% of the WZ. That gives me a whole bucketload of low sec I can fly and pirate and run backwater plex's. I'll make more than enough to fund whatever I want and not worry about losing stuff. The market will bomb for Min/Gal fw items and my amarr one will become like gold.

Get on it Min/Gal pilots!


And for the 'losers'. Get off your arses and do something about it rather than whine on the forums. Twisted Or just pack up and swap sides if isk grinding is all you do FW for !

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Dan Carter Murray
#42 - 2013-01-12 23:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
until i see amarr mains or their amarr dplexing alts on https://api.eveonline.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx/ under "victory points last week" then idgaf who complains on amarr side about tier or LP.

make a dplexing alt. mine has made me billions from dplexing while afk. on another note, anyone interested in donating 500 navitas and 1500 warp core stabs in myyhera please?

http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com

Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-01-12 23:53:14 UTC
The new tier system broke faction warfare.

Heavily penalising the losing side means that people will simply leave or be discouraged from joining, while farmers and gankbears flock to the 'winning' side for free LP and cheap kills.

Of course, this comes after the Farmville debacle and the Goons brazenly exploiting hundreds of billions from the broken LP/kill mechanic, so I expect CCP will either stick their head in the sand or dream up some equally ******** 'fix' to FW.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#44 - 2013-01-13 01:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ground ctrl
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I love it.


I can't wait till the minmatar and the gallente own 100% of the WZ. That gives me a whole bucketload of low sec I can fly and pirate and run backwater plex's. I'll make more than enough to fund whatever I want and not worry about losing stuff. The market will bomb for Min/Gal fw items and my amarr one will become like gold.

Get on it Min/Gal pilots!


And for the 'losers'. Get off your arses and do something about it rather than whine on the forums. Twisted Or just pack up and swap sides if isk grinding is all you do FW for !



there are too few marketable items that are unique to each faction. the losers will know they won't be competitive with any of the shared items and so will always sell the few unique items in their store and drive the value down.

The inferno cashouts were the way to keep economic parity but ccp threw that good idea out with the bad when they did the change on october 22nd.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-01-13 01:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
until i see amarr mains or their amarr dplexing alts on https://api.eveonline.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx/ under "victory points last week" then idgaf who complains on amarr side about tier or LP.

make a dplexing alt. mine has made me billions from dplexing while afk. on another note, anyone interested in donating 500 navitas and 1500 warp core stabs in myyhera please?

Back before hell froze over and LP was thrown around (first 2-3 years of FW), Sasa and I were on top on all lists concerning VP. He overtook me when I went pew focus only to refocus himself shortly thereafter .. the amount of time I spent orbiting for no gain other than to annoy other people scares the **** out of me today Big smile

Now that LP has been involved for a year, I doubt any of us are even in top 20 as the farming literally and predictably went out of control, acknowledged by CCP when they made their infamous emergency change followed by npc/plex changes .. neither of which did much of anything to stem the tide.

The tier system itself is irrelevant. The problem is that as long as LP is associated with that which the tier is based on (plexes) and said plexes can be run in stabbed, cloaked throw-away frigs .. the whole she-bang will be run by farmers with everyone not willing or able to "roll an alt in enemy militia!!" relegated to being bystanders.

FW should be pew first and foremost, with farmers coming in once space superiority is achieved, not the other way around.

Edit: Just checked and seems that Sasa couldn't stop orbiting after all .. oh dear ..
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-01-13 01:17:53 UTC
There's no incentive for Hans to suggest further changes to LP payout. He's Minmatar, after all.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-01-13 01:21:59 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.




wrong dcm

when i did the write up i took the best two datcores between amarr and minnies

faction frig. best faction bs and best faction ammo


for all of them at amarr t2 and minnie t3 doing 5 novic plexs amarr made about 1.2 to 1.9 mill more isk
at amarr t2 minnie t4 minnies made around 8 to 10 mill more isk. but would have to haul. sell and use market alts for nearly 3 times the items. ie more jita .01 isk wars!


all of this was on jita sell orders around two weeks ago
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#48 - 2013-01-13 01:48:17 UTC
Some of the top minmatar VP earners are alts of Amarr guys, so QED, stfu or fill my tear stein with frothy tears, bitte. Prost!

You are also all ignoring the evidence Tsobai presented last week about the actual LP/Isk conversions for readily tradeable items like datacores. Which is about on par for whiners and crybabies.

As for the warzone control in Amarr/minmatar space? It has been a struggle to hold on to the Aset pocket - and while deplexing it, I get 1/6th the LP all of Cynthia Nezmor's innumerable plexing alts and Florestan Bronstein's famous "Chicken Zealot" get. it's hard to complain that getting 30K LP's for a plex vs my 5,100 isn't hard to equalise the actual ISK earned.
Dan Carter Murray
#49 - 2013-01-13 02:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.


wrong dcm

when i did the write up i took the best two datcores between amarr and minnies

faction frig. best faction bs and best faction ammo


for all of them at amarr t2 and minnie t3 doing 5 novic plexs amarr made about 1.2 to 1.9 mill more isk
at amarr t2 minnie t4 minnies made around 8 to 10 mill more isk. but would have to haul. sell and use market alts for nearly 3 times the items. ie more jita .01 isk wars!


all of this was on jita sell orders around two weeks ago


when i get back home i make a spreadsheet for everyone with a pretty graph.

you can't look at raw isk/lp you have to look at isk/hr

btw i'm not complaining about tier.

my AMARR dplex alt makes me boatloads of lp and i oplex for fights which when they dont' come i get lp...even at tier 1. vOv.

maybe i should make a second AMARR dplex alt.

then again...my solution to FW is perfect.

http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com

Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#50 - 2013-01-13 02:56:31 UTC
I log in,
I get "hay things are happening join fleet",
I join fleet, undock
I open a new bottle of cider
I post some otter macros
I shoot some amarr
I gf in local, post some more otter pics

All is good.

Your whining is irrelevant.

PS, otters: http://i48.tinypic.com/2mnmxs5.jpg
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-01-13 05:21:06 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
i forgot that people always forget to consider opportunity cost. Mintards/Galblob make much more with their LP when the factor of "time" is considered.


wrong dcm

when i did the write up i took the best two datcores between amarr and minnies

faction frig. best faction bs and best faction ammo


for all of them at amarr t2 and minnie t3 doing 5 novic plexs amarr made about 1.2 to 1.9 mill more isk
at amarr t2 minnie t4 minnies made around 8 to 10 mill more isk. but would have to haul. sell and use market alts for nearly 3 times the items. ie more jita .01 isk wars!


all of this was on jita sell orders around two weeks ago


when i get back home i make a spreadsheet for everyone with a pretty graph.

you can't look at raw isk/lp you have to look at isk/hr

btw i'm not complaining about tier.

my AMARR dplex alt makes me boatloads of lp and i oplex for fights which when they dont' come i get lp...even at tier 1. vOv.

maybe i should make a second AMARR dplex alt.

then again...my solution to FW is perfect.



i did do it by isk per hr

it was based on the same amount of novice plexs completed. but amarr getting 10k each and minnies 17500 each and on the 5 major market items amarr made a tiny bit more isk


at the time the top two amarr datacores sold at 144k isk or about 1650 per lp

top minnies were 97k. or about 925 isk per lp
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#52 - 2013-01-13 05:57:10 UTC
Gunship wrote:
I don't do a lot of plexing, normally moving as soon as I see a new target and I only make 5-20K LP a night for that reason. Now it's not a big issue, got other streams of income, but for our new players in corp its an up hill struggle at -50% they have a big dis-advantage compared to our wonderful opponents. Frustrating as it's as we all know largely farmer based. Minmatar just have more slaves and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.

What I am saying in order for Amarr not to completely go off the map T2 should be the minimum. In fact I would be very happy to see T1-T5 scrapped and just give all T2.

just my 0.02 LP



You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-01-13 06:23:36 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Gunship wrote:
I don't do a lot of plexing, normally moving as soon as I see a new target and I only make 5-20K LP a night for that reason. Now it's not a big issue, got other streams of income, but for our new players in corp its an up hill struggle at -50% they have a big dis-advantage compared to our wonderful opponents. Frustrating as it's as we all know largely farmer based. Minmatar just have more slaves and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.

What I am saying in order for Amarr not to completely go off the map T2 should be the minimum. In fact I would be very happy to see T1-T5 scrapped and just give all T2.

just my 0.02 LP



You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system.



Cynthia, mad respect for you and i know your working your alts off fighting hard for amarr in the aset pocket but gunny has done a good job getting a rag tag of noobs and vets into the mix

like having a corp only a few weeks old grow to 50members and have daily and on weekends twice daily 20-30man fleets....alot of it while teaching new guys about pvp
we do 1-2 plexing fleets a week and the rest are daily roams

i myself am looking to increase our corps plex fleet operations to a more daily bases


either way you will be seeing more hopless additcs in your pocket. hope you dont mind
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#54 - 2013-01-13 06:35:07 UTC
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Gunship wrote:
I don't do a lot of plexing, normally moving as soon as I see a new target and I only make 5-20K LP a night for that reason. Now it's not a big issue, got other streams of income, but for our new players in corp its an up hill struggle at -50% they have a big dis-advantage compared to our wonderful opponents. Frustrating as it's as we all know largely farmer based. Minmatar just have more slaves and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.

What I am saying in order for Amarr not to completely go off the map T2 should be the minimum. In fact I would be very happy to see T1-T5 scrapped and just give all T2.

just my 0.02 LP



You admit you cant be arsed to actually play FW, you are only here because you are afraid to take sentry fire and/or can't recruit enough people for your pirate corporation. Also known as "only for the pew". Maybe if you would use your fleets for properly plexing, situation would be better. Hint: you would also get more fights that way, as everyone can evade a "roaming" fleet of noobs, but no one can just ignore you if you plex their home system.



Cynthia, mad respect for you and i know your working your alts off fighting hard for amarr in the aset pocket but gunny has done a good job getting a rag tag of noobs and vets into the mix

like having a corp only a few weeks old grow to 50members and have daily and on weekends twice daily 20-30man fleets....alot of it while teaching new guys about pvp
we do 1-2 plexing fleets a week and the rest are daily roams

i myself am looking to increase our corps plex fleet operations to a more daily bases


either way you will be seeing more hopless additcs in your pocket. hope you dont mind


Lets just say, if I could be bothered with corps, I would put 20 alts into your corp and vote for you as CEO. Smile
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#55 - 2013-01-13 08:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.


TBH after all these "stop WCS/cloak afk alts farm", "I can make 400mill a day" posts I've expected to see numbers with 1 more zero in the end. It seems FW isn't that profitable after all (due to huge time/money sinks I guess).
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#56 - 2013-01-13 08:10:30 UTC
Feffri wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:
Actually we had to fight our asses off for ikoskio because the dusties pushed it up to over 50% against us.


Are you sure, because you took ikoskio before dust was integrated fully. I don't think it was activated yet so they just had it on the default of which ever fw had it originally it gave them full points. I think only today would be the first day it's in affect.

Either way you guys have the isk and are going to be able to afford the mercs. **** most guys are pressed to get into t2 cruisers and you guys are titan dropping fw battleships. Isk war lost.. check :).. well everything lost, check


To clarify that, we had taken the system prior to the integration, once it was in the Dusties pushed it to over 50% against us and the caldari groups used it to their advantage. We had to constantly send a fleet or two out to cover that area as wed deplex it to the 50s or so and itd bounce right back to the danger zone of mid 70s almost immidietly (**** that word im drunk). So it forced us to have to concentrate more attention to that system than we normally would have had to.

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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#57 - 2013-01-13 08:12:08 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.


TBH after all these "stop WCS/cloak afk alts farm" posts I've expected to see numbers with 1 more zero in the end. It seems FW isn't that profitable after all (due to huge time/money sinks I guess).


Define profitable in EVE.
How do you think FW players should spend their money? Buy a Titan, and lose it while they are AFK like Gorski Noob?
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#58 - 2013-01-13 08:39:32 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
I log in,
I get "hay things are happening join fleet",
I join fleet, undock
I open a new bottle of cider
I post some otter macros
I shoot some amarr
I gf in local, post some more otter pics

All is good.

Your whining is irrelevant.

PS, otters: http://i48.tinypic.com/2mnmxs5.jpg



That is a fantastic otter. You are welcome in Pizza Cats space anytime.

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#59 - 2013-01-13 08:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
Lipbite wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I have 3 billion in cash, several billion in ships, and 2.4 million LP. If you are poor in FW you are doing it wrong.


TBH after all these "stop WCS/cloak afk alts farm", "I can make 400mill a day" posts I've expected to see numbers with 1 more zero in the end. It seems FW isn't that profitable after all (due to huge time/money sinks I guess).


Meh, I make about a bill for about four hours of work when I'm bored. It's mind numbing and terrible but it means I can toss stuff into "we're probly gonna die who's up for it?" situations and not really care. The answer is always yes.

-edit- I do that on my main, me

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-01-13 10:55:21 UTC
The biggest problem is that CCP chose T2 as the "100%" number - if they had just called T1 payouts "100%", T2 payouts "200%" and so on there would be a lot less "at T1 you get less for your work than you deserve" complaints.

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