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FundHolder
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-01-12 15:06:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
FundHolder wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jane Morozov wrote:
I am the new owner of this toon firstly please read the character transfer RULES.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

''Q. My character has ships and ISK still in their hangar and wallet. Can I put it up for sale still?
A. Of course, just please remove these items before transfer and do not calculate them into the price of the character. Be careful because all items will remain with the character upon transfer.''

Any items which are left on the character are forfeit to the new owner. Whether it be 1 isk, 10 billion isk, an ibis or a capital ship. YOU must ensure that the items are removed and if they are not its your problem.

Now, you claim that you bought them after the transfer. You were then stupid enough to claim them on a character being sold? EVEN THEN you could have cancelled the transfer at any time. Also you claim im aggressive? You have bombarded me with Threatning mails and in game convos all day long. You act like I have cause offense when its your own stupidity that has caused this.

From your terrible attitude , complete disreguard for rules and the respect of others I come to the conclusion that you are doing this because you decided that you no longer wanted the PLEX and want a real life refund, or that you are a troll or that you are just plain stupid.

Either way I am completley within my rights to sell the PLEX and do what I want with the money since I am in no breach of the rules whatsoever, you had so many oppurtunities to stop this happening if it was truly a mistake but you failed to act upon them.

Feel free to contact CCP, I have already done so. I am within my rights by character transfer rules to keep any and all items left on the character after transfer. I have no obligation to refund you under my own money no return the character / items to you.

Next time read the rules.


Dude, it looks like he made a genuine mistake, and you've just decided to take advantage of it. Rules may be rules, but in this case, you actually have a choice. You're choosing to be somewhat.... undesirable. Even moreso than the regular "undesirables".

This kind of posting, as opposed to the OP making a genuine enquiry instead of some kind of claim of entitlement, is a demonstration of your outright indignant lack of integrity. Therefore, I have decided that, I am going to donate a PLEX to the OP at my earliest possible opportunity.

I am also encouraging anybody else on these forums to, whether CCP lets him have his PLEX back or not (seeing as how this person has almost definitely confirmed OP's sincerity with this egregious display of obnoxious entitlement), also donate a plex to OP in order to help him either recover or exceed his mistaken losses. I haven't done my act of kindness for the new year yet. This will be it.

Stay in touch, OP. I will process a PLEX for you on Monday, you have my word, written here in the forums. Go ahead and screen shot it and make it a legitimate pledge. Let the jerk have his moment of accidental piracy. And if CCP won't fix it for you, maybe some of the community will.

Call me naive, but I believe you've made a genuine, sincere error that any one of us could have made (hands up who hasn't accidentally recycled a brand new State Raven or some such).



Thanks for the offer. But you really dont need to do this. I am sure that CCP will take care of it in the most fair manner. In the end I was a dummy and should have realized the wrong character was selected at the login screen.


The offer's on the table, dude. Mostly, just because I like your attitude.


Well the offer is greatly appreciated. But really the isk in the end is only a small thing. But just by your offer you have shown how big of a person you really are Blink
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-01-12 15:07:08 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
You think I wanted this? I want to just get on with playing but I am not giving up items which were transfered in the character transfer process it is my character now so they belong to me end of.

Like I said you ruined it with your attitude, not my problem. Roll


You want to post like that and talk about attitude? That kinda is your problem.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2013-01-12 15:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rellik B00n
holy ****!

:popcorn:

The dude that ended up with the PLEX: you took the other guys Xmas present.

EvE is EvE but still, you dont think thats just a little bit out of order?

edit: screw the letter of the law and the bazaar rules, just consider what you actually did.
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Seetesh
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-01-12 15:09:01 UTC
I had a similar issues a year ago, sadly this does happen but ccp returned my items within 24 hours of the petition. You need to avoid third party services like amazon.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-01-12 15:11:16 UTC
I think a good way to prevent things like this from happening again would be for CCP to require an attached inventory to toon sales. That way, if anything does accidentally slip through the cracks, a petition will get it sorted out if the transfer log shows an anomaly.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#106 - 2013-01-12 15:12:29 UTC
Am I the only one who has an issue with both parties here?

The guy with the plex has enough said about him.

But OP, trying to appear as if you are behaving with restraint and rationality but you are posting the whole thing on a forum and linking mails etc. (which btw seem a rational response from a certain point of view). If the OP is so nice then to be honest WHY THE HELL HAS HE DRAGGED THI INTO A POINTLESS PUBLIC ARGUMENT.

Surely the rational "good guy" asks for the plex back first, having been told no attempts a petition then... waits for the response rather than pointlessly posting to forums dragging someone else into a public fight which will not actually achieve anything.

IMHO as soon as you made the guy aware there was a petition he would have been an idiot to hand them straight over. Doing that could mean a tired (replace adjective if you like) GM coming along dropping a load of isk out of his wallet and giving it away.
Personally I would simply hold the 6 plex on the toon until CCP resolved the issue that way there were 6 plex for said tired GM to remove without harming the toon's wallet if he so chooses.

So my advice is simple, whoever has the plex don't sell them, don't hand them, back wait for a response to your and the other guy's petition.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
FundHolder
Doomheim
#107 - 2013-01-12 15:13:14 UTC
Yeah I normally wouldnt have went through Amazon but there was nothing else I wanted and I had those gift certificates anyways. So I was "like what the heck". Even that though in the end wasnt their fault its just a different claim method is all.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#108 - 2013-01-12 15:14:07 UTC
I do wonder why CCP just doesnt dump all your inventory stuff into the hangar of your new primary toon.
That would solve all these issues and prevent any further ones, including rmt.
FundHolder
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-01-12 15:15:26 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
Am I the only one who has an issue with both parties here?

The guy with the plex has enough said about him.

But OP, trying to appear as if you are behaving with restraint and rationality but you are posting the whole thing on a forum and linking mails etc. (which btw seem a rational response from a certain point of view). If the OP is so nice then to be honest WHY THE HELL HAS HE DRAGGED THI INTO A POINTLESS PUBLIC ARGUMENT.

Surely the rational "good guy" asks for the plex back first, having been told no attempts a petition then... waits for the response rather than pointlessly posting to forums dragging someone else into a public fight which will not actually achieve anything.

IMHO as soon as you made the guy aware there was a petition he would have been an idiot to hand them straight over. Doing that could mean a tired (replace adjective if you like) GM coming along dropping a load of isk out of his wallet and giving it away.
Personally I would simply hold the 6 plex on the toon until CCP resolved the issue that way there were 6 plex for said tired GM to remove without harming the toon's wallet if he so chooses.

So my advice is simple, whoever has the plex don't sell them, don't hand them, back wait for a response to your and the other guy's petition.



Your a smart Man SB Rico. I agree with you on this

Now the only reason this thread was made was last night I panicked a bit and so I decided to ask and see if anyone else had done this before.
Seetesh
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-01-12 15:16:10 UTC
FundHolder wrote:
Yeah I normally wouldnt have went through Amazon but there was nothing else I wanted and I had those gift certificates anyways. So I was "like what the heck". Even that though in the end wasnt their fault its just a different claim method is all.


If it doesn't work out I will help you out with plex. It is a shame that you are in this situation, I can imagine its simply because of the way eve is linked to your amazon account.
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2013-01-12 15:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jane Morozov
The amazon PLEX system works in exactly the same way.

You go to in game and Click redeem items with 2 warnings etc.

Also CCP can't strip the character being purchased of everything, they leave it to the descretion of the buyer / seller.

If the seller says I want to leave you with nothing fine, if the seller wants to leave you some ships (which aren't included in the price) then thats fine and I have done it in the past. If someone forgets and leaves items on the account by mistake or for whatever reason the same rules apply.

Like I said the rules are on my side here and I wish that we could have resolved this maturely, but as i've said over and over your attitude / abuse has lead to this.

Sorry, but im not going to give someone like you any money back, Nor do I have to. Straight
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#112 - 2013-01-12 15:25:00 UTC
The one for measured opinions is over, only hate remains

You are both terrible, bickering over who gets the toy until an adult breaks you up, the fact that your first resort is to get someone else to fix your problems should be giving some sort of warning that you are doing it wrong.

You both seem like sort of reasonable people, you could have sorted this out, instead you immediately petitioned CCP before you even tried to fix it any other way.

Please don't donate your PLEX to either of them, they don't deserve it, there are plenty of charities done with EVE and PLEX that it could be used for something good.

I wish I was rich so I could hire mercs to spend the next few weeks making you wonder if talking to each other without mentioning that you have alerted CCP to solve your problems for you actually works.

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-01-12 15:25:23 UTC
FundHolder wrote:
SB Rico wrote:
Am I the only one who has an issue with both parties here?

The guy with the plex has enough said about him.

But OP, trying to appear as if you are behaving with restraint and rationality but you are posting the whole thing on a forum and linking mails etc. (which btw seem a rational response from a certain point of view). If the OP is so nice then to be honest WHY THE HELL HAS HE DRAGGED THI INTO A POINTLESS PUBLIC ARGUMENT.

Surely the rational "good guy" asks for the plex back first, having been told no attempts a petition then... waits for the response rather than pointlessly posting to forums dragging someone else into a public fight which will not actually achieve anything.

IMHO as soon as you made the guy aware there was a petition he would have been an idiot to hand them straight over. Doing that could mean a tired (replace adjective if you like) GM coming along dropping a load of isk out of his wallet and giving it away.
Personally I would simply hold the 6 plex on the toon until CCP resolved the issue that way there were 6 plex for said tired GM to remove without harming the toon's wallet if he so chooses.

So my advice is simple, whoever has the plex don't sell them, don't hand them, back wait for a response to your and the other guy's petition.



Your a smart Man SB Rico. I agree with you on this

Now the only reason this thread was made was last night I panicked a bit and so I decided to ask and see if anyone else had done this before.


I think you should read OP's posts though, Rico. I've just been through them all again, and I can't see him trying to start a public debate. I can see him making enquiries about the chances of getting his stuff back, which I wouldn't call pointless - who hasn't called customer support after spilling coffee on their laptop asking if the warranty is still valid?

You are right about the buyer keeping the PLEX until there's a GM resolution, though, I can't argue with that. But that buyer could have used a little less attitude in handling his response, quite frankly.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
FundHolder
Doomheim
#114 - 2013-01-12 15:25:44 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
The amazon PLEX system works in exactly the same way.

You go to in game and Click redeem items with 2 warnings etc.

Also CCP can't strip the character being purchased of everything, they leave it to the descretion of the buyer / seller.

If the seller says I want to leave you with nothing fine, if the seller wants to leave you some ships (which aren't included in the price) then thats fine and I have done it in the past. If someone forgets and leaves items on the account by mistake or for whatever reason the same rules apply.

Like I said the rules are on my side here and I wish that we could have resolved this maturely, but as i've said over and over your attitude / abuse has lead to this.

Sorry, but im not going to give someone like you any money back, Nor do I have to. Straight


I am just curious as to where I abused you. Please show me and I will appolgise for that.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#115 - 2013-01-12 15:26:12 UTC
Someone offer a PLEX/Bounty to the first person to gank Jane Morozov :)

This could be fun, we could turn this into a contest.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#116 - 2013-01-12 15:28:09 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
Like I said the rules are on my side here and even though you wish that we could have resolved this maturely, but my attitude / abuse has lead to this.
FYP

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
FundHolder
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-01-12 15:28:21 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
Someone offer a PLEX/Bounty to the first person to gank Jane Morozov :)

This could be fun, we could turn this into a contest.




LOL, no dont do that. He is just trying to protect what he believes is his. That also happens to be the same thing I am trying to do.
FundHolder
Doomheim
#118 - 2013-01-12 15:30:45 UTC
Alhough it is kinda funny

I sell him a character for

2.7 bil

Pay 2 PLEX to transfer the character

Then give him 6 PLEX on top of it !!!

Wow he got the deal of a lifetime Shocked
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#119 - 2013-01-12 15:33:17 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
FundHolder wrote:
SB Rico wrote:
Am I the only one who has an issue with both parties here?

The guy with the plex has enough said about him.

But OP, trying to appear as if you are behaving with restraint and rationality but you are posting the whole thing on a forum and linking mails etc. (which btw seem a rational response from a certain point of view). If the OP is so nice then to be honest WHY THE HELL HAS HE DRAGGED THI INTO A POINTLESS PUBLIC ARGUMENT.

Surely the rational "good guy" asks for the plex back first, having been told no attempts a petition then... waits for the response rather than pointlessly posting to forums dragging someone else into a public fight which will not actually achieve anything.

IMHO as soon as you made the guy aware there was a petition he would have been an idiot to hand them straight over. Doing that could mean a tired (replace adjective if you like) GM coming along dropping a load of isk out of his wallet and giving it away.
Personally I would simply hold the 6 plex on the toon until CCP resolved the issue that way there were 6 plex for said tired GM to remove without harming the toon's wallet if he so chooses.

So my advice is simple, whoever has the plex don't sell them, don't hand them, back wait for a response to your and the other guy's petition.



Your a smart Man SB Rico. I agree with you on this

Now the only reason this thread was made was last night I panicked a bit and so I decided to ask and see if anyone else had done this before.


I think you should read OP's posts though, Rico. I've just been through them all again, and I can't see him trying to start a public debate. I can see him making enquiries about the chances of getting his stuff back, which I wouldn't call pointless - who hasn't called customer support after spilling coffee on their laptop asking if the warranty is still valid?

You are right about the buyer keeping the PLEX until there's a GM resolution, though, I can't argue with that. But that buyer could have used a little less attitude in handling his response, quite frankly.


I did read the OPs posts I would point out he has posted a link to an in game mail to make his case and started a thread about a petition, what is the CCP rule on this again?

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#120 - 2013-01-12 15:33:58 UTC
FundHolder wrote:
Alhough it is kinda funny

I sell him a character for

2.7 bil

Pay 2 PLEX to transfer the character

Then give him 6 PLEX on top of it !!!

Wow he got the deal of a lifetime Shocked


Did you ever try saying ******* please?

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba