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Claimed PLEX on a character I sold

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FundHolder
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-01-12 13:10:17 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Reading char transfer rules, I got this:

Q. My character has ships and ISK still in their hangar and wallet. Can I put it up for sale still?
A. Of course, just please remove these items before transfer and do not calculate them into the price of the character. Be careful because all items will remain with the character upon transfer.

It's kinda iffy. Technically strictly by the rules, they belong to him. No different than me forgetting a ship when doing a char transfer.

Did you petition the problem with the plex before, or after the transfer finalized?



I petitioned b4 it finalized.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-01-12 13:10:58 UTC
Shouldn't be possible to redeem items to locked characters, if your story is true you'll get them back

If not, a normal person would just give the PLEXes back, but looks like he is... not such.

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Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#23 - 2013-01-12 13:13:41 UTC
if life gives you 6 PLEX for free make a lemonparty.org
Mag's
Azn Empire
#24 - 2013-01-12 13:14:51 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
I am the new owner of this toon firstly please read the character transfer RULES.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread

''Q. My character has ships and ISK still in their hangar and wallet. Can I put it up for sale still?
A. Of course, just please remove these items before transfer and do not calculate them into the price of the character. Be careful because all items will remain with the character upon transfer.''

Any items which are left on the character are forfeit to the new owner. Whether it be 1 isk, 10 billion isk, an ibis or a capital ship. YOU must ensure that the items are removed and if they are not its your problem.

Now, you claim that you bought them after the transfer. You were then stupid enough to claim them on a character being sold? EVEN THEN you could have cancelled the transfer at any time. Also you claim im aggressive? You have bombarded me with Threatning mails and in game convos all day long. You act like I have cause offense when its your own stupidity that has caused this.

From your terrible attitude , complete disreguard for rules and the respect of others I come to the conclusion that you are doing this because you decided that you no longer wanted the PLEX and want a real life refund, or that you are a troll or that you are just plain stupid.

Either way I am completley within my rights to sell the PLEX and do what I want with the money since I am in no breach of the rules whatsoever, you had so many oppurtunities to stop this happening if it was truly a mistake but you failed to act upon them.

Feel free to contact CCP, I have already done so. I am within my rights by character transfer rules to keep any and all items left on the character after transfer. I have no obligation to refund you under my own money no return the character / items to you.

Next time read the rules.
Yea people never make mistakes. Way to go being a jerk about it.

Let's hope CCP see this as a problem with char transfers, that needs to be sorted.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-01-12 13:18:27 UTC
I am not being a jerk about it.

There is no proof that was a glitch, or a bug.

He had every opportunity to stop the transfer, or to contact customer support to stop it before the transfer was complete.
It was HIS mistake that he redeemed the items to this character while it was for sale / while it was in transfer.

Dont make me out to be the bad guy. Im playing by the rules. The character under forum rules is now 100% mine along with ANYTHING on it. I am under no obligation to refund someone for their mistake / their stupidity.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#26 - 2013-01-12 13:20:35 UTC
FundHolder wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Reading char transfer rules, I got this:

Q. My character has ships and ISK still in their hangar and wallet. Can I put it up for sale still?
A. Of course, just please remove these items before transfer and do not calculate them into the price of the character. Be careful because all items will remain with the character upon transfer.

It's kinda iffy. Technically strictly by the rules, they belong to him. No different than me forgetting a ship when doing a char transfer.

Did you petition the problem with the plex before, or after the transfer finalized?



I petitioned b4 it finalized.


That might save you, if you can show it was a full accident, and you took steps to remedy before the transfer occurred. Then again, this is EVE, cold harsh world etcetc.

Personally, I would have asked for them returned, with something like "Hey, I dun goofed, could you send the plex back? Keep one for yourself."

www.minerbumping.com
FundHolder
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-01-12 13:21:13 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
I am not being a jerk about it.

There is no proof that was a glitch, or a bug.

He had every opportunity to stop the transfer, or to contact customer support to stop it before the transfer was complete.
It was HIS mistake that he redeemed the items to this character while it was for sale / while it was in transfer.

Dont make me out to be the bad guy. Im playing by the rules. The character under forum rules is now 100% mine along with ANYTHING on it. I am under no obligation to refund someone for their mistake / their stupidity.



I dont want you to be the bad guy. I asked you in an in game mail if you would give them back to save us both some time. You said you wouldnt. So I am just seeing if CCP will help me out.
FundHolder
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-01-12 13:22:27 UTC
I honestly would have let him keep one for himself if he would have gave at least some of it back. as far as being a rude mail. I guess I could take a screenshot of the one I sent him.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#29 - 2013-01-12 13:22:51 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
I am not being a jerk about it.

There is no proof that was a glitch, or a bug.

He had every opportunity to stop the transfer, or to contact customer support to stop it before the transfer was complete.
It was HIS mistake that he redeemed the items to this character while it was for sale / while it was in transfer.

Dont make me out to be the bad guy. Im playing by the rules. The character under forum rules is now 100% mine along with ANYTHING on it. I am under no obligation to refund someone for their mistake / their stupidity.


You assume that playing by the rules make you the good guy

The good guy is good and does what is good, you seek justification for your lack of action

I'm all for tears, but don't act like you're the good guy

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-01-12 13:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jane Morozov
Lets go through the facts:

--He puts a Character up for sale which Takes me over a day to make the offer / get the isk sent and the transfer started, this is enough time to get anything removed.

-- APPARENTLY he then buys 6 PLEX using real money (I cant verify that, only CCP can)

-- APPARENTLY when the sale is COMPLETE and he himself starts the transfer he then 'accidently' then goes on Redeem items in game, which then comes up with an in game message ' Are you sure you wish to redeem xxxxx item on xxxxx character which is docked in xxxx station' so even then you have 2 chances to stop it.

-- Even if all this is true you have stated that it was a mistake and you gave it to the wrong character even though you knew the transfer was begun and after the multiple in game warnings. You STILL had a chance to contact customer support, there is even an E-MAIL which states if the transfer was a mistake you could cancel it.

When PLEX is claimed and becomes an IN GAME ITEM it is then not bound by any rules, like any other item. If you undocked and got those SIX PLEX blown up could you petition CCP and say, 'My PLEX was blown up refund me'? NO.

It is the same case with this you have had so many chances to stop it if it was truly a mistake but you haven't. Because the PLEX was claimed and now is AN IN GAME ITEM and the rules state that all items on the character when it is sold / being transfered are forfeit to the new owner.

I am not giving up items that by the rules that CCP wrote are now rightfully mine because you had some brain freeze according to you.

Like I said guys, I am not the bad guy. The mails he has sent me even before I have had chance to reply sum him up for the type of person he is and he is clearly trying to SCAM CCP back his real money because he didnt want the PLEX.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#31 - 2013-01-12 13:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Jane Morozov wrote:
I am not being a jerk about it.

There is no proof that was a glitch, or a bug.

He had every opportunity to stop the transfer, or to contact customer support to stop it before the transfer was complete.
It was HIS mistake that he redeemed the items to this character while it was for sale / while it was in transfer.

Dont make me out to be the bad guy. Im playing by the rules. The character under forum rules is now 100% mine along with ANYTHING on it. I am under no obligation to refund someone for their mistake / their stupidity.
When transferring a char, you are blocked from doing anything with that char for the ten hour process. The fact you can still redeem a plex to a char within that time, falls within the glitch area as far as I'm concerned. But we shall see what CCP say, as it's down to them.

But I stand by what you are being. Blink

@ FundHolder, if your petition gets a standard response, ask for it to be escalated to a senior GM.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#32 - 2013-01-12 13:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lovely Dumplings
OK, so how about this. Tempers flared, things were said on both sides that shouldn't have been, it's in the past. Rather than being all full-on hate, how about a peaceful settlement?

Each of you toss some numbers at each other and come to an agreement. As it is, you're leaving it up to a third party, and one person is going to be unhappy either way. I'll even act as a mediator, if you two want to settle this in-game.

I knew those mediator classes in college would come in handy!

www.minerbumping.com
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-01-12 13:28:40 UTC
I know for a FACT that PLEX can't be transferred to a locked character.

This is all down to his own stupidity and I have not breached any rules or scammed anyone. I just wanted the character and that was it.

But as I said, im not giving back In Game items which are now rightfully mine.

Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#34 - 2013-01-12 13:29:45 UTC
Jane Morozov wrote:
Lets go through the facts:

--He puts a Character up for sale which Takes me over a day to make the offer / get the isk sent and the transfer started, this is enough time to get anything removed.

-- APPARENTLY he then buys 6 PLEX using real money (I cant verify that, only CCP can)

-- APPARENTLY when the sale is COMPLETE and he himself starts the transfer he then 'accidently' then goes on Redeem items in game, which then comes up with an in game message ' Are you sure you wish to redeem xxxxx item on xxxxx character which is docked in xxxx station' so even then you have 2 chances to stop it.

-- Even if all this is true you have stated that it was a mistake and you gave it to the wrong character even though you knew the transfer was begun and after the multiple in game warnings. You STILL had a chance to contact customer support, there is even an E-MAIL which states if the transfer was a mistake you could cancel it.

When PLEX is claimed and becomes an IN GAME ITEM it is then not bound by any rules, like any other item. If you undocked and got those SIX PLEX blown up could you petition CCP and say, 'My PLEX was blown up refund me'? NO.

It is the same case with this you have had so many chances to stop it if it was truly a mistake but you haven't. Because the PLEX was claimed and now is AN IN GAME ITEM and the rules state that all items on the character when it is sold / being transfered are forfeit to the new owner.

I am not giving up items that by the rules that CCP wrote are now rightfully mine because you had some brain freeze according to you.

Like I said guys, I am not the bad guy. The mails he has sent me even before I have had chance to reply sum him up for the type of person he is and he is clearly trying to SCAM CCP back his real money because he didnt want the PLEX.


It's easier if you just accept it, you are the bad guy, you are looking for any justification to keep it

Once again, tears are cool, denial is not

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
FundHolder
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-01-12 13:29:55 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Jane Morozov wrote:
I am not being a jerk about it.

There is no proof that was a glitch, or a bug.

He had every opportunity to stop the transfer, or to contact customer support to stop it before the transfer was complete.
It was HIS mistake that he redeemed the items to this character while it was for sale / while it was in transfer.

Dont make me out to be the bad guy. Im playing by the rules. The character under forum rules is now 100% mine along with ANYTHING on it. I am under no obligation to refund someone for their mistake / their stupidity.
When transferring a char, you arte blocked from doing anything with that char for the ten hour process. The fact you can still redeem a plex to a char within that time, falls within the glitch area, as far as I'm concerned. But we shall see what CCP say, as it's down to them.

But I stand by what you are being. Blink

@ FundHolder, if your petition gets a standard response, ask for it to be escalated to a senior GM.



Will do.

And Normally it wouldnt be a glitch. But because they plex came through amazon. Which likes to link to your ccp account they dont send you a number to type in or anything. when I opened the redeem box and clicked redeem. Because the character that was in stasis was the one highlighted to log in. It put them in its inventory.

I made a petition before the transfer completed. The two reasons I didnt try and stop the transfer is

A) It only had about a half hour left
B) I though hey I will still get the character to this buyer on time. and I can just ask for the plex when he logs in.
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-01-12 13:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jane Morozov
I would have given some back.

But from the threatening conversations / mails that I have had from him that is no longer an option. Dont act like the good guy on these forums because clearly you just are a very immature person.

I will not give him anything back and you can thank that to your own bad attitude / behavior.

Next time read the rules more closely and put your glasses on next time you go randomly redeeming items, even though you CANNOT redeem items to locked characters.

Now you spin stories of buying it off amazon to. Well if thats true they do provide receipts etc and you still get the SAME warnings even if it is from amazon.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#37 - 2013-01-12 13:31:17 UTC
Return the 6 PLEX to FundHolder and give the new owner 2 PLEX as part of "PLEX for snitches" program. Implement safeguard against future occurences of this. Everyone happy, job jobbed.
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-01-12 13:33:13 UTC
If there was a problem in the system of redeeming items like this wouldn't it be highlighted before?


How long has character transfer and PLEX redeeming been around? For a very very long time and not once has there been a reported issue of this to my knowledge.
Othran
Route One
#39 - 2013-01-12 13:34:12 UTC
If you can redeem items to a locked character within the 10 hour transfer window then its clearly a bug.

You won't be keeping the 6 PLEX is my bet, CCP will remove them and place them back in the OP's account.
Jane Morozov
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-01-12 13:34:22 UTC
FundHolder will not receive any PLEX from me end of discussion.

If CCP deem fit to contact me about it I will state my reasons to them as I have here.