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Needing access to a High Sec Pos
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#21 - 2013-01-14 08:21:04 UTC
Eric Raeder wrote:
Draven MCcloud wrote:
if you are thinking of putting up a HS tower definetely go large..u will need all the cpu a pg to have enuff labs for wat u are looking to do..also no need to worry about wardecs with a large....As owner of a HS tower myself i would not just let some 1 join my corp and use the labs rite off it will take time b4 id give access to them...As for having another corp do your research for you,,the best bet would be to agree on set price for the job u want done then contract the bpo to said corp for the amount the bpo is worth... u stand to lose nothing that way and when the job is done they can contract it back to you for price of bpo + job imo...


I don't think a large is really necessary, I have been using a medium caldari tower in highsec for over six months and it is adequate for my needs. I have 3 advanced labs, 2 regular labs, 2 equipment assembly arrays, 1 drone assembly array, and 1 ammunition assembly array. These total 3300 of my tower's 3750 CPU.

This leaves me enough CPU to run up to 9 jammer batteries without offlining any industry, which pretty much makes the thing immune to attacks from small gangs, as any group of half a dozen or less subcapitals is going to be nearly permajammed. Remember capitals can't attack in highsec. If I ever get wardecced I can offline a lab or two and beef that up in the 24 hour grace period. In practice, I have not been wardecced in the 6 months or so I have been operating.

I have 2 primary industry characters trained to do T2 invention and manufacturing, and 1 secondary character who does copying and T1 industry, all have skills to run 10 science jobs and 9 or 10 industry jobs. Occasionally I use a public station manufacturing line, but all my science jobs and a large majority of my industry jobs are run in the POS facilities.

I don't have any ship assembly arrays, for 2 reasons: 1) unlike the arrays I do have, ship assembly arrays get no manufacturing time reduction compared to public assembly lines, and-- 2) ship production is a pretty crappy way to make isk in this game to begin with, being low profit, high risk, and requiring high initial investment.


Slight correction to your information. Ship assembly arrays for T1 ships have a material multiplier of 1 and a time multiplier of 0.75 giving a 25% time saving. Smile

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#22 - 2013-01-14 17:27:46 UTC
B55 wrote:
Hello there,

Until now I've been focusing mainly in manufacturing and have only now started doing invention. I managed to find some Copy Slots as well as invention slots in each iteration I usually need to move away which is sort of an hassle.

I have nowhere near standings nor ISK to set up my own POS, neither has my corp. So basically I was wondering if there's anyone out there in New Eden with some spare Invention or Copy Slots free in their POS I could use, for the sake of remaining stationary (at least in one of the two). I've been manufacturing fuel blocks so I can contribute with some fuel donations if necessary.

On a sidenote: Is it even possible for me to have access to such without leaving my corp?

You can use research slots from a POS outside of your corp but I believe you need to be in the same alliance. However you can only do jobs that do not require additional materials. So invention(which requires items placed in the POS araay) and research or coping that requires either items from the POS array inventory or output to the POS array inventory (copy jobs output copies to the array, not the station the BPO is in) . So the only research you can do at a POS not belonging to your own corp is ME/PE research, and only if no additional materials are requred. Even then I think you can only use POSes inside the same alliance. I have used slots in alliance POSes for ME/PE research before so I know it is possible.

There are research corps that will do the jobs for you through contracts. This works well for coping and such provided you get collateral on your BPO while they have it. This still involves a lot of trust though. However invention is something you need to do on your own as the results are random and you have no way of tracking their success. i.e. you give them all the materials, they say there was no successful runs, or only 1 when there was 4-5 and keep the extra for themselves. I believe this can be tracked through API programs, but is far more hassle than it is worth.

A small POS is cheap to set up and run. you can fit 3 labs on a small caldari tower. a regular lab has 1 copy and 5 invention slots, while an advanced lab has 3 copy and 2 invention slots. There are corps you can hire that will either boost your standings so you can place the POS, or sell you a corp with established high standings that will hold for 7 days after you buy it. If everyone you put in the corp has zero standings, i.e. the faction does not show on your standings list, you will never lose the high standings of the purchased corp.
Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#23 - 2013-01-14 19:43:07 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:

Slight correction to your information. Ship assembly arrays for T1 ships have a material multiplier of 1 and a time multiplier of 0.75 giving a 25% time saving. Smile

Ekatirina appears to be correct, my bad. I'm not sure where I got the idea ship assembly arrays get no production time bonus. However, they do suck lots of CPU, if you want to take advantage of the ship build time bonus by using these, especially a large ship array, you probably are going to need a large tower. And beware of advanced ship assembly arrays, they have a 1.1 material modifier, which means they will cost you 10% more materials than a public assembly line, which pretty much makes them worthless, at least in highsec. And I stand by my assertion, that Ekatirina has not disputed, that building ships in general is a poor way to make ISK.
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