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Malcanis for CSM 8 Vote till you drop

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2013-01-17 10:36:09 UTC
Like, oh I dunno, THE REACTION CONNECTOR INTERFAAHAGFADGFAJHFKAJHDKLJFHADF

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#142 - 2013-01-17 10:51:26 UTC
Or ship maintenance arrays.... Cry

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#143 - 2013-01-17 10:51:56 UTC
LET MY PEOPLE DOCK, CCP!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
Out of the Blue.
#144 - 2013-01-17 12:09:42 UTC
Despite refusing to answer my question, you have my vote.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#145 - 2013-01-17 12:10:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
In principle, that's absolutely the sort of thing what I'd like to see. However, your standings penalties are applied way too early. Civiliam stations should not as a matter of course shoot at other civilians unprovoked. Merely being a member of another megacorp isn't sufficient. Also there needs to be a good spectrum of corp styles available and not all of them need to involve being unexpectedly blapped by NPCs.
Pff! You obviously haven't played enough dystopian-future RPGs. P
Would Renraku unceremoniously off any shadowrunner in Shiawase's employ that they encounter? Of course they would! Pod pilots aren't civilians — they're free-roaming WMDs who have in the past shown themselves perfectly willing to ram stations and make them burn for 4+ years… shoot them and bill the clone for the ammo, I say!

Anyway yes, like I said: the numbers were just place-holders to demonstrate what could be done and what the consequences would be. It needn't be anywhere near that severe. The main point is really that corps would impose both limits and flat modifiers, so even if you ground enough standings to not be particularly affected by the negative modifier, they still don't like you very much on pure principle, and that the granularity of standings could (and should) be used for far more things than just let you run missions and/or get a good tax dodge out of it… and not all of those things should be positive.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#146 - 2013-01-17 12:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Tippia wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
In principle, that's absolutely the sort of thing what I'd like to see. However, your standings penalties are applied way too early. Civiliam stations should not as a matter of course shoot at other civilians unprovoked. Merely being a member of another megacorp isn't sufficient. Also there needs to be a good spectrum of corp styles available and not all of them need to involve being unexpectedly blapped by NPCs.
Pff! You obviously haven't played enough dystopian-future RPGs. P
Would Renraku unceremoniously off any shadowrunner in Shiawase's employ that they encounter? Of course they would! Pod pilots aren't civilians — they're free-roaming WMDs who have in the past shown themselves perfectly willing to ram stations and make them burn for 4+ years… shoot them and bill the clone for the ammo, I say!

Anyway yes, like I said: the numbers were just place-holders to demonstrate what could be done and what the consequences would be. It needn't be anywhere near that severe. The main point is really that corps would impose both limits and flat modifiers, so even if you ground enough standings to not be particularly affected by the negative modifier, they still don't like you very much on pure principle, and that the granularity of standings could (and should) be used for far more things than just let you run missions and/or get a good tax dodge out of it… and not all of those things should be positive.


The basic idea is that you'd have some NPC corps that give really nice benefits and those would also be the ones with the harshest drawbacks/dangers. And you'd have 1-2 others that just tax you your 11% and don't do much for you other than provide a chat channel (Interbus would be good for this). And a wide spectrum of intermediates.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#147 - 2013-01-17 14:26:26 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The basic idea is that you'd have some NPC corps that give really nice benefits and those would also be the ones with the harshest drawbacks/dangers. And you'd have 1-2 others that just tax you your 11% and don't do much for you other than provide a chat channel (Interbus would be good for this). And a wide spectrum of intermediates.
Of course. I just picked Lai Dai as an example because they have that nice intra-faction rivalry going on with other Caldari corps, which could have some interesting consequences — both positive and negative.

Come to think of it, why is it that when I manufacture Falcons in a Lai Dai station, there isn't some obstructive and lethargic foreman who waddles up and says ”Sheeee, doc… I don't know if we have the tools for those parts. What's this? A 4.5 microfurlong bolt? Sorry, we only do metric here. I could order the bits, but it'll cost ya… 10% because you're such a swell guy.” (And who offers you a discount whenever you try to build Basilisks because they have a pallet of left-over nanoglue that hey haven't been able to shift.)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#148 - 2013-01-17 14:28:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Come to think of it, why is it that when I manufacture Falcons in a Lai Dai station, there isn't some obstructive and lethargic foreman who waddles up and says ”Sheeee, doc… I don't know if we have the tools for those parts. What's this? A 4.5 microfurlong bolt? Sorry, we only do metric here. I could order the bits, but it'll cost ya… 10% because you're such a swell guy.” (And who offers you a discount whenever you try to build Basilisks because they have a pallet of left-over nanoglue that hey haven't been able to shift.)


Whilst I love a good troll as much as anyone, I think I'll hold off on advocating that particular idea until I hear someone complaining that T2 manufacturing is too simple and straightforward.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#149 - 2013-01-17 14:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Malcanis wrote:
Whilst I love a good troll as much as anyone, I think I'll hold off on advocating that particular idea until I hear someone complaining that T2 manufacturing is too simple and straightforward.
“T2 manufacturing is too simple and straightforward — it's the estimation of invention profit that is complicated”. There you go. Blink

Just to complicate matters further, I originally thought to make a similar suggestion regarding T1 manufacturing, but I couldn't find a good or accurate database over which corps sold which BPOs.

…and either way, it would have to be accompanied by a complete industry revamp (including POS changes) to give people more reason and more tools to get out from under the restrictions NPC stations would impose — cleaning up T2 manufacturing would have to be a part of that. The aforementioned foreman is obstructive for a reason, and it's not just to RP in some individual benefits and penalties for joining a specific corp.

As mentioned, it's a tangent and a very loose “what if…” idea.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2013-01-17 15:15:46 UTC
You will have my vote... whenever the election is, that is.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#151 - 2013-01-17 15:26:02 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You will have my vote... whenever the election is, that is.


April, I believe.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Shootmenot dammit
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-01-17 16:24:03 UTC
You are a very good poster and I'm thinking about giving you my votes, even though I never voted in a CSM election before. Your forum contributions have been useful to me over the years, and I more or less endorse your opinions on several relevant issues.

I'm, however, concerned about your affiliation. Can you convince me that you are truly independent and that you are not applying solely to represent the interests of a major powerblock?

Your list of blues, for instance. You openly said this about them when you weren't blue:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1492296&page=29#850

Quote:
"TEST, an alliance that openly encourages the membership to bot, and actually has an alliance rule against reporting bots"


Do you hold the same views on your (now) allies?

Quite a lot of TEST and GSF pilots seem to be supporting you openly, and in order to vote for you, I need to know that there is no stupid HBC/CFC agenda involved.

Thanks in advance for your comments.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#153 - 2013-01-17 16:31:32 UTC
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
You are a very good poster and I'm thinking about giving you my votes, even though I never voted in a CSM election before. Your forum contributions have been useful to me over the years, and I more or less endorse your opinions on several relevant issues.

I'm, however, concerned about your affiliation. Can you convince me that you are truly independent and that you are not applying solely to represent the interests of a major powerblock?

Your list of blues, for instance. You openly said this about them when you weren't blue:

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1492296&page=29#850

Quote:
"TEST, an alliance that openly encourages the membership to bot, and actually has an alliance rule against reporting bots"


Do you hold the same views on your (now) allies?

Quite a lot of TEST and GSF pilots seem to be supporting you openly, and in order to vote for you, I need to know that there is no stupid HBC/CFC agenda involved.

Thanks in advance for your comments.


What would it take to convince you?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2013-01-17 17:11:00 UTC
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
Quite a lot of TEST and GSF pilots seem to be supporting you openly, and in order to vote for you, I need to know that there is no stupid HBC/CFC agenda involved.

Do you know why we're "supporting you openly"? Because he's not a moron. That's it. Of course, me saying this isn't going to be believed by you, but I suggest you take a look at his posting past and present and make up your own mind as to malcanis' worthiness of his place on the CSM, and don't vote/not vote because of some imagined "HBC/CFC agenda".

Having said that, I have tinfoil hats aplenty for sale.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#155 - 2013-01-17 17:12:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Expanded answer (posting from a smartphone does not encourage going into detail)

If you're determined to believe that I'm a "company man" HBC stooge then there's not much I can do about that. Maybe I could show you screenshots of the HBC forum thread discussing the HBC primaries to determine who will be the "official HBC candidate"? Hint: It Is Not Malcy.

I don't decide which coalition INIT. belongs to, and I'm not about to leave the friends I've made in INIT over the last 3.5 years to prove a point. I'm reasonably content to be in the HBC and TEST have dealt fairly and generously with us, but I certainly don't think that means I owe them any special favours in the CSM.

Yet the fact is that many of the things that I sincerely advocate will benefit both the HBC and the CFC. I want trickle-up based alliance income, and that favours alliances with large, active memberships. But they won't exclusively benefit from those proposals; everyone in 0.0 will (or so I believe) - the ElitePVP groups will also benefit greatly if my ideas are accepted too, for instance.

And while many Goons and TEST players have posted in support of my ideas, I have never had any problem with disagreeing with someone whatever alliance they may be in. Indeed, here is an example dating from... this afternoon. In short: I agree with many players. Some of them are Goons or TEST or whatever. I disagree with many players. Some of them are Goons or TEST or whatever.

EDIT: If you want a more substantive issue where I disagreed with the CFC line, go look up the Jump Bridge nerf thread. I was definitely on the other side of that argument!



Re: Botting. I am now and always have been absolutely opposed to botting in all its forms. I accept no excuses for doing it, and I take gleeful pleasure in seeing botters punished. In my limited contact with TEST since we joined the HBC, I have seen no advocation of botting, discussion of botting on the forums (there is in fact an explicit rule against discussing EULA breaking activities) and I haven't seen any TEST bots or spoken to any reliable source who has. Are there bots in TEST? I'd be pretty naive to think that there weren't any. But I'd be dishonest if I said that I'd seen any signs of mass botting. At worst, the scale has been reduced to the level where it can be kept discrete.

I've also seen zero evidence that there's any official or unofficial HBC policy in favour of botters. My personal suspicion is that CCP Sreeg's campaign last year has been successful enough to at minimum make the alliance leadership distance themselves from such activities. Handling bot ISK is highly hazardous now, and getting half the alliance leadership banned is too great a strategic risk.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#156 - 2013-01-18 00:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Malcanis, you have my vote.

Although we don't always see eye to eye in the discussions we both partake in, you always hold a level head and have coherent and well thought out arguments. And importantly, like myself, you are willing to concede a point when we are wrong.

I do have a question for you though. I have very rarely seen you post any comments at all in discussions about potential Avatar Gameplay Content. I'm personally a strong advocate of putting development time into working on what has ultimately been another neglected feature, our Avatars. What is your stance on Avatar based gameplay?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
#157 - 2013-01-18 03:02:24 UTC
Malcanis, it's great to see you running for CSM.

Me, my alts, and I will all be voting for you!

Name a shrub after me.  Something prickly and hard to eradicate.

Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2013-01-18 07:05:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dar Saleem
mynnna wrote:
I've never seen Malcanis' highsec proposals before, but now that I have, I'd support them when (if (who am I kidding, when)) I run for CSM myself. It's a pretty good approach.


I would vote for you, love your science and industry posts, think your knowledge would be great asset

As long as I dont have to pick between you and malcanis I will be happy
Shootmenot dammit
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#159 - 2013-01-18 08:57:50 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
Quite a lot of TEST and GSF pilots seem to be supporting you openly, and in order to vote for you, I need to know that there is no stupid HBC/CFC agenda involved.

Do you know why we're "supporting you openly"? Because he's not a moron. That's it. Of course, me saying this isn't going to be believed by you, but I suggest you take a look at his posting past and present and make up your own mind as to malcanis' worthiness of his place on the CSM, and don't vote/not vote because of some imagined "HBC/CFC agenda".

Having said that, I have tinfoil hats aplenty for sale.


I know he is not a moron. That is why I am considering giving him my votes.

However, the HBC agenda thing is also important to me, so I thought it would be worth a question or two.

I'm not one for tinfoils, but if someone I respect says "an alliance actively promotes botting" and then they are allies...well, I need to hear what the candidate has to say about it.

A politician joining a formation he vocally opposed before has a thing or two to explain to prospective voters.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#160 - 2013-01-18 09:04:55 UTC
Dar Saleem wrote:
mynnna wrote:
I've never seen Malcanis' highsec proposals before, but now that I have, I'd support them when (if (who am I kidding, when)) I run for CSM myself. It's a pretty good approach.


I would vote for you, love your science and industry posts, think your knowledge would be great asset

As long as I dont have to pick between you and malcanis I will be happy


Why choose?

*points to Power Of Two offer

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016