Jita Park Speakers Corner

First Gratz to Malcanis for making it into the election, next we have to get him on CSM8!

That being said I find the nullsec vs highsec manufacturing discussion quite compelling. Being the reviled miner/ builder/ inventor type myself I am very interested in how it is resolved.

Having spent my formative days as a highsec miner/ builder/ inventor before moving up to lowsec and now residing in nullsec I can tell you that the system surely requires fixing.

When you are in highsec you dream of the lowsec ores and the hopefully greater profit margins, and of course the moongoo to fund your building plans. So you and your corp make the jump to lowsec to jumpstart your industrial careers. You've already learned how to support a POS with PI in highsec and you dive right into moon mining and mining those yummy lowsec belts! Then after a time the ganking picks up in your little corner of EVE and suddenly you find yourself outgunned or constantly jumping into your fighting ships to repel tourists, gankers, and mission roamers chasing escalations in your backyard. Your productivity is down and your pvp is up, gate camping becomes an interesting diversion and gives you a taste of "fleet" action. Of course this comes at a price, now a good slice of your industrial corp will become enamored with pvp and spend less time mining. You start to get annoyed at the ease with which bigger roams and gangs can pour thru your lowsec home looking for laughs and easy kills on the weekend. Then you start to absorb the other industrial corps in your area because you all feel the same constraints squeezing you and greater numbers hopefully mean quicker responses to threats and thus more time to be about the business of making things that earn profits. However even as a larger corp you never can get a handle on safer operations in lowsec so your eye starts to wander towards nullsec and joining an alliance and reaping the benefits of holding sov.

Of course with the passage of time you make it, woo hoo! You are a nullsec resident miner/ buider/ inventor/ pve & pvp pilot. But there are a few more surprises in store for you, remember that lowly ore veldspar you starting mining as a noob, well you'll be mining it again in your sov because tritanium is essential and the vast quantities of it are now far away in the highsec trade hubs. As an Alliance member you'll be building ships that your corp mates and Alliance mates need for defense and for roams making profits from the building of ships becomes less important then building the ships that will help your alliance hold sov.

You're going to spend a lot more time flying in pvp fleets learning to be a more valuable member of your alliance because the threats to sov trickle thru every week. You will find it less and less compelling to build ships because of the supply chain required to make them is now stretched from nullsec to Jita and your essential import & export routes to highsec can be disrupted by wardecs from freighter killers looking for the JF or cloaky hauler who thinks it won't happen to him until it does. Your best pvp people and fc's to fight back against a wardec are busy defending your sov in nullsec, so your supply route is compromised and your building grinds to a halt.

Nullsec is a wasteland for manufacturing because it is forced to rely upon highsec and the tethers that connect high to null are easily disrupted, add to that the ease for roams to slip into sov space to gank miners who don't keep an eye on local or monitor intel channels for neuts and reds in their area and you quickly enter the zone of diminishing returns.

In my humble opinion Null sec needs the expanded ability to create manufacturing/ trade hubs that are completely autonomous from highsec, which means seeding the systems with gravs and belts that contain all the ores available in empire space with sufficient quantities to support robust building.

As a miner/ builder/ inventor/ pve & pvp pilot that has invested my time to gain the skills to reside in nullsec it seems wrong to have to depend upon highsec for my continued existence. I don't want to be at the whim of wardec corps who have very little risk beyond paying for the wardec they inflict upon nullsec corps and then hang around highsec trade hubs to prey upon haulers. If you consider this an improved wardec system then perhaps I am just not aware of how bad the old system was. Nullsec needs to become autonomous I hope the new members of CSM8 can get that message to CCP.

I am not a highsec basher, I honestly believe the meta game of EVE online is demanding improvements in null so the game can continue it's evolution.

Please join me in voting for MALCANIS for CSM8

Power To The Players!

glad to hear that

There are some requirements for hanging POSes in high sec that don't apply in WH space (standings, charters), so those could be manipulated to make small and medium POSes more attractive to high sec dwellers, and large POSes less attractive. WH POSes would not be affected at all, except perhaps for price rebalances caused by changing demand in Empire space.

I don't have a problem with POSes being used in hi-sec tbh. In fact In my dream of EVE, players would deploy POS as the greatly preferred alternative to using NPC stations. (in this dream, POS aren't horrible)

Luckily, you don't have to choose! You can put the SMA publord as your first pick and me as your second.

If you need any more help with how to vote for publords, please don't hesitate to ask.

Nullbear, "nerfing" hisec, goons overlords and goon's pet. That post ticks all the troll checkboxes.

Do tell what these reasons are.


Do tell how this'll benefit either hisec or nullsec.

I don't know dude, aren't you voting for this guy? You should know the reasons better mate.
- no risk, high reward isk that can be scaled
- huge afk income
- convenient and easy to setup
etc

If you don't see how making lowsec more attractive will benefit hisec I don't know what to say friendo. Gatecamp and instalockers are horrible designs, don't get me wrong you should be able to die but only if you fail/got outplayed not because people are camping a gate with a setup that require no skill.
There is no way to annoy pirates for example, on the other hand you can suicide gank bears in hs pretty easily, they should allow bombs in lowsec and remove instalocks gg you fixed ls, maybe add a % of lock time that scale with the number of ships next to the gate.

All you do is call me names, not a single argument. Afk Moon Goo is a serious problem and a reality, you're in denial if you don't believe that. Instalocks and gatecamps are bad designs, it's ok for null because sov and **** and you should be punished in null for running into camps but it's the main reason why low sec is bad, you can't punish pirates, being a pirate is literally the easiest pvp you can get.

Hey that's some pretty harsh words friendo, kinda rude.
That moon goo money shouldn't be used to suicide gank in high sec because noone is fighting in nullsec because lol politics and why fight when you can make easy money, that's a problem.
I'll keep it simple for you since you seems to have problems understanding my logic :
- afk income = ok
- afk income that can scale = bad
I seemed to have touched a chord, moongoo seems to be really important for you and I can understand why.
Yes gatecamp and instalocks are a bad designs when there is no way you can punish gatecampers, feel free to explain yourself tho, you seems confused maybe you should take some time to breath and think about your post I feel kinda bad for you when I'm reading your posts...
By the way I'm pretty sure you are misusing the word "troll", a different opinion with decent arguments is not a troll, you can disagree with me but I'm pretty sure you are the one "spouting" troll memes we are not in funnyjunk ahaha.
Thanks in advance friendo.

Afk Moon Goo for CSM9