Jita Park Speakers Corner

By moving manufacturing further out from Jita, thus making Jita slightly less of a "you must get as close as you can" place. And, incidentally, considering the fact I have no problems finding stations which are completely (or mostly completely) empty within 2 jumps of jita as it is today, isn't a problem.


It'd be a case of "build stuff near Jita and have a smaller margin" vs "build it far away from Jita and spend time transporting". Oh, and "build your stuff locally in nullsec and help revitalize nullsec by giving a reason for players to care about that pesky little 10 man gang that keeps derping around in your back yard, because that'd be your miners being unable to do the work extracting minerals". Provided, of course, that CCP makes nullsec not suck at industry in comparison with hisec, capacity/convenience-wise.

Production material costs are different for different classes of items and well. At one extreme, you have the production of faction items, where the material cost is essentially a rounding error and the actuarial cost of being ganked whilst tranporting them is far more relevent. At the other you have things like Freighters and Battleships.

New players typically aren't involved in producing either of these types of goods. Small T1 ships, faction ammo and certain T1 modules like nanos seem to be the most common.

That's exactly what I had in mind to achieve.

(And that's why we'll see such a shitstorm if CCP ever implement it)

Oh absolutely, I agree. I'm just saying that if profit margins would evaporate under the way things are now it doesn't mean they'll do so in a proposed system. It's similar to mineral refinery - if you drop the perfect refinery from NPC stations, of course the profit margins there will go down. However, they will go down for everyone, meaning the relative power of refining elsewhere (say in POSes) will go up.

From the farms and fields lessons learned:
Making something tedious will not stop players doing it if it's very clearly the best option. They'll do it, and they'll hate it
Going to 0.5 for production would be the only sensible option in the vast majority of cases where people are doing it for profit. People are not afraid to use the autopilot.


I'm a fan of the farms and fields concept, however i have yet to see a concrete idea of how to implement it catering to the needs of all the player types in 0.0.


That is true in theory. However if you run the numbers on T1 items (the ones that new players can actually produce) in Jita you'll find that they are barely above material cost. Most people seem to not value their time.

Anyway, to sum this up: Malcanis believes, but IMO hasn't produced arguments supporting it, that the proposed change affects the player base neutrally across the char age groups. I say it is a classic example of a proposal where Malcanis law applies.

A production time bonus tied to the sec status would be much more reasonable, because it doesn't instantly kill the production of low margin items in 0.6+ systems. You'd still have crowded 0.5 slots but less badly. The incentive to go to lower sec is still there, so industrials wanting to maximize their volume can chose to put in the risk and effort. Plays in nicely with risk/reward and choice.

There won't be "more tedium", there'll be "more options". They can choose to try to lower their costs isk-wise by moving their operation to a .5 system, they can take the increased manufacturing costs of manufacturing closer to major trade hubs, they can move their operation to POSes, they can start using courier contracts more, they can move their point of sale to somewhere other than major trade hubs, etc etc etc.

I'm sorry there are suggestions in the air of making it so a BS can't be made for 2k isk. Actually, no, I'm not, because today's system is tedious. I have absolutely no problems finding a system with 50+ free slots within 2 jumps of jita, which means that the only thing I have to take care of is buying minerals at a low enough rate that sales/broker taxes and the 2k manufacturing fee is covered, haul it 2 jumps, press a few buttons and haul it back.


Considering the current state of nullsec is "farm moons, build supercaps and shoot people in the face", with absolutely no real incentive to actually do anything even remotely industry-related (...apart from supercaps, since that's the only place they can be built), any improvement to make nullsec even vaguely more populated would be a welcome change.

I'm serious. Hop in a noobship and fly around in nullsec, and take a note on how many people are actually out and about, doing things.


And why do you think this is? It is like this because I can do all my manufacturing within 2 jumps of Jita. There is literally no timesink involved here, literally the only difference between the raw material and the finished product is sales taxes and broker fees, and a very miniscule bit of time.


I'd go so far as to say that if anything, it would affect the bigger manufacturers more than it would the small newbies. The small newbies won't have a huge volume of raw material to haul to the 0.5 system of choice, he won't have to move tons of things around when a .5 system gets zerged, he won't make himself vulnerable to wardecs by putting a POS up etc etc etc.

All of these things would have to be put into consideration when putting a price, and the current practice of literally making a BS at mineral cost + barely enough to cover the sales tax/broker's fee is more detrimental than making the system deeper would be.


I'd say that things are being manufactured too quickly as it is, if we were to go for a "production time bonus tied to the sec status", then production times should increase heavily across the board beforehand, because building a full BS in 3-4 hours isn't exactly a very limiting factor.

Sov mechanics: I'm not going to get into proposing specific mechanics, but I can definitely describe what I'd like to see: Sov should be easily claimable by anyone who wants to plant their flag. The strength of that sovereignty claim should require continuous activity, not anchoring a TCU and waiting 3 weeks. AFK landlording - where we have systems that are unused except for a JF popping by to empty the silos twice a month - should leave your systems vulnerable to being taken by a medium sized battlecruiser gang with half an hour to spare.

And death to multi-million hit point structures.

Supercaps:

Supercarriers I'm honestly not too bothered about; they're vulnerable to being defanged, and tbh they're not that hard to deal with if you have an organised fleet. If I had wishes to spare, I'd turn them back into motherships and give them a role that actually made them into a goddamb mothership. You know, like being the go-to ship for moving a fleet about. But they're not a priority. Oh and while we have these jillion-hit-point sov structures, they're the only thing that makes sov grinding remotely endurable.

Titans: I just don't like. There's no way to balance the role of "super double super doom penis" in an open PvP game like EVE. Titans need to be turned into something completely different than their current incarnation. Every titan pilot is going to hate it if and when they are. That's OK though, they all hate me already. Whether they become mobile star bases, or the only ship which can go through the EVE gate or whatever role I don't even mind. They were a mistake from the start and CCP have been trying to polish the turd ever since the players showed them that "we totally can organise massive industrial supply chains in your open sandbox economy simulator, CCP" and built thousands of a ship that was conceived on the assumption there would only ever be 2-3 in game.

What's your stance over small-scale structure operations ?
I'm talking about highsec POSes, lowsec POCOs and POSes inside C3s and lower.

And defending them, don't be so single-sided.
The shooting part and the linked isk-versus-reward part (like in "a giant dickstar costs 500m" and "if I kill it, I'll loot 20m").
If you want I can ask you particular questions but it would mean that you don't care about it or feel it's well balanced atm.

CONGRATZ... Looks like alot of peeps got preelecion qualified on the first day