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How does dust 514 benifit CCP if its F2P?
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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2013-01-10 14:47:07 UTC
permanent equipment
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#22 - 2013-01-10 14:57:35 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
permanent equipment



Not as useful as you might think.

It's only barely above the free stuff.

The good stuff you have to keep buying with ISK or Aurum.

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JamesCLK
#23 - 2013-01-10 15:03:04 UTC
The permanent Dragonfly dropsuit and Toxin SMG are essentially painted versions of militia gear. If you had done your research, you'd know this.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-01-10 15:03:38 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
permanent equipment



Not as useful as you might think.

It's only barely above the free stuff.

The good stuff you have to keep buying with ISK or Aurum.


JamesCLK wrote:
The permanent Dragonfly dropsuit and Toxin SMG are essentially painted versions of militia gear. If you had done your research, you'd know this.



I never said it would be uber
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#25 - 2013-01-10 15:04:34 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Facebook shares are worth billions and Facebook has never made a dime.

Get it?


Facebook makes a ton of money on ad revenue, and frequently oscillates between net profit and net loss. thats not a very good comparison
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2013-01-10 15:08:19 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
permanent equipment



Not as useful as you might think.

It's only barely above the free stuff.

The good stuff you have to keep buying with ISK or Aurum.


JamesCLK wrote:
The permanent Dragonfly dropsuit and Toxin SMG are essentially painted versions of militia gear. If you had done your research, you'd know this.



I never said it would be uber

So it gains you no advantage, and in fact is mostly cosmetic and convenient.

I'm pretty much okay with that.

I'll be even more okay with that when DUST (and EvE) players can resell them on the in game market.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-01-10 15:12:42 UTC
in terms of gameplay [sandbox], I think Dust = F2P is fair.
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#28 - 2013-01-10 15:18:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Toku Jiang
It's FTP, but these games have been thriving.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-01-10 15:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6639
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#30 - 2013-01-10 15:19:31 UTC
But, is it Fun2Play as well as Free2Play?

This space for rent.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#31 - 2013-01-10 15:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ioci
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Facebook shares are worth billions and Facebook has never made a dime.

Get it?


Facebook makes a ton of money on ad revenue, and frequently oscillates between net profit and net loss. thats not a very good comparison


They have no profit. They are in the hole. It's a fashion stock. Public knowledge, don't even go there.

Disclaimer: CCP aren't the broken aspect of this, I'm not saying they are being shady.
They are one of the few companies making MMO's that have the revenue to support their investment needs. They have the unfortunate problem of low subs and any time they try and get support, the rhetorical reaction would be, "get more subs" because popularity takes president over profitable for some inexplicable reason.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-01-10 15:26:04 UTC
vanity fair?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#33 - 2013-01-10 16:16:21 UTC
I spend more each month on my 'free' games than I do on my subbed ones. Sometimes a lot more.

It's a solid and proven business model.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ginger Barbarella
#34 - 2013-01-10 16:30:31 UTC
Cecil Tanner wrote:
So if dust 514 is F2P like i've heard why would CCP put in this much effort and R&D and money for no profit?

Not saying that they are greedy or anything but i've never heard of any company that wants to loose money.


The same way other F2P games bring in money: think NeX store for DUSTbunnies... Cash for shinies.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-01-10 16:31:24 UTC
If you view it solely for what it is then yeah, it looks bad I guess (assuming no micro-transactions\hats)

If it is totally free to play then I imagine it'll be a lot like the recent story of Lego sending free stuff to some kid who lost some characters from a box set.

Sure they're giving away free stuff, but they're also generating good PR and free advertising (look at me talking about it)

In CCP's case, it'll make a much more accessible avenue to the eve universe, once people are in there's the curiosity element to things that may turn some players into eve players.

There's also the FP test bed part to it. You lot want walking in station, what better way to test then engine than starting up a FPS game to get all your models sorted prior to full release etc.

Personally I want stabbings in station, so, I'm hoping that's part of it.

Although more likely is that it's part of the whole wod thingy (although I've not read about that in a while so I'm probably off target).


anyway, basically, free isn't necessarily free and there are times when free can be free but the returns that it generates are more than worth the initial loss.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-01-10 16:32:57 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

It's a solid and proven business model.


It's a ****** business model and I hates it ¬_¬

I like me a good old fashion subscription any day
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#37 - 2013-01-10 16:49:06 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:

It's a solid and proven business model.


It's a ****** business model and I hates it ¬_¬

I like me a good old fashion subscription any day


I can't disagree with you.

I didn't say it was a good business model, just solid and proven.

Mr Epeen Cool
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-01-10 17:04:57 UTC
I imagine it will be about as "pay to win" as Eve is, which is not at all.

When a game relies enough on actual player skill and coordination between players, being able to buy your ingame currency is far from game-breaking and barely affects the overall game at all. It's a clever and so far successful business model for games.

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-01-10 17:15:52 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
I imagine it will be about as "pay to win" as Eve is, which is not at all.

When a game relies enough on actual player skill and coordination between players, being able to buy your ingame currency is far from game-breaking and barely affects the overall game at all. It's a clever and so far successful business model for games.


if that's true, what incentive does a newcomer have to stay among other players who have a head start Roll
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-01-10 17:20:15 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
if that's true, what incentive does a newcomer have to stay among other players who have a head start Roll


Wanna try rephrasing that in a way that actually makes it responsive to what you quoted?

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