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Destroyers for orbital bombardment? Really??

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Keno Skir
#1 - 2013-01-10 10:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Just read that orbital strikes will be fired from small guns.. Does this seem like a break from "eve reality" to anyone else?

Guesse since they used an Abaddon for the Fanfest demo i just assumed you would need large guns to fire them, if not some sort of special module that takes buku CPU or something. That said i actually still feel like a destroyer raining death from hundreds of kilometers up is a bit far fetched.

Not tryin to get it changed or anything, just noticed it today and didn't sit right. I'm imagining clouds of thrashers or even atrons, hell even industrials firing highly destructive weapons a really really long way... not how i'd have done it anyway o/
Sexy in Black
Ducklings
#2 - 2013-01-10 10:20:39 UTC
Link? Source?
Mocktar Olachenko
#3 - 2013-01-10 10:22:39 UTC
Totally agree, both from a logical and gameplay standpoint. The idea of large battleships bombarding a planet, and necessitating a support fleet to protect them just makes sense. Any old Joe Blow in a dime a dozen destroyer shelling a planet and zipping off at the first sign of trouble doesn't.
Keno Skir
#4 - 2013-01-10 10:23:01 UTC
Sexy in Black wrote:
Link? Source?


Here

"We are also enabling the ultimate in cross game escapades, Orbital Bombardment, with the first flavor being the Tactical Strike. You may have also noticed some new ammo blueprints on the market (Tactical EMP S, Tactical Laser S, Tactical Hybrid S). Well, now you can load up these special long range, high precision munitions into suitable small turret weapons and rain fire from the skies. This will be available to Faction Warfare battles in low security space and we’ll leave it up to you to arrange the details of this with your new fleet-footed buddies. As one might assume, more guns are just better, so I recommend the destroyer hull as the best compromise between damage, mobility and cost for this particular task."
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-01-10 10:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Sexy in Black wrote:
Link? Source?

dev blog. Read it.
Sexy in Black
Ducklings
#6 - 2013-01-10 10:24:31 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Sexy in Black wrote:
Link? Source?

Patch notes. Read them.



Much more fun to logon and find changes that way ^_^
Fleur Kendall
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-10 10:28:13 UTC
Source is CCP Nullabor from this Dev Blog

Under "The Tools of War" subheading he says

"We are also enabling the ultimate in cross game escapades, Orbital Bombardment, with the first flavor being the Tactical Strike...you can load up these special long range, high precision munitions into suitable small turret weapons and rain fire from the skies...more guns are just better, so I recommend the destroyer hull...for this particular task"


Obviously this doesn't mean that it is limited to being fitted to only small ships, but I wait to see how the mechanics pan out I guess...
Oki Riverson
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2013-01-10 10:28:34 UTC
It does seam a bit weird ... I know CCP are probably doing it so we don't have to train for a new weapon system (Which is nice of them.) But part of me would like to see some old school "YOU MUST TRAIN THIS NEW ORBITAL WEAPON SYSTEM FOR 3 YEARS!!" harshness.
Keno Skir
#9 - 2013-01-10 10:29:25 UTC
Mocktar Olachenko wrote:
Any old Joe Blow in a dime a dozen destroyer shelling a planet and zipping off at the first sign of trouble


This exactly. Faction War was crap because everyone could do it in the cheapest riskless ships without actually fighting or organizing ANYTHING aside from a mwd. Im sad that same thing is happening to DUST right after CCP fixed FW.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#10 - 2013-01-10 10:31:08 UTC
Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?

DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny.
Oki Riverson
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#11 - 2013-01-10 10:34:32 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?

DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny.


Not the point ... Why can't my Coercer hit you from 10,000km away in Eve. It's also fairly risk free to said destroyer pilot. fit stabs and align :(
Keno Skir
#12 - 2013-01-10 10:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Thomas Gore wrote:
Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?

DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny.


My argument is from a gameplay perspective primarily, but additionally the massive range of the shells is far out of the realms of what i assumed to be small turret capability and small ship capability.

If the 24 man skirmish is for somewhere important the skirmish is more than the numbers involved. Thought that was the difference between DUST and call of duty, meaning to the conflict.

When i think "Orbital Bombardment" i think of mealstroms, not atrons.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-01-10 10:38:32 UTC
Oki Riverson wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
Why would a battleship waste time firing into a 24 man skirmish?

DUST is not Planetside 2, the scale is tiny.


Not the point ... Why can't my Coercer hit you from 10,000km away in Eve. It's also fairly risk free to said destroyer pilot. fit stabs and align :(


Bunnies can also blow up said destroyer.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-10 10:38:48 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Just read that orbital strikes will be fired from small guns.. Does this seem like a break from "eve reality" to anyone else?

Guesse since they used an Abaddon for the Fanfest demo i just assumed you would need large guns to fire them, if not some sort of special module that takes buku CPU or something. That said i actually still feel like a destroyer raining death from hundreds of kilometers up is a bit far fetched.

Not tryin to get it changed or anything, just noticed it today and didn't sit right. I'm imagining clouds of thrashers or even atrons, hell even industrials firing highly destructive weapons a really really long way... not how i'd have done it anyway o/



well if we used Abaddon and fired lasers from orbit , the atmosphere would negates most of the EM .
Fun Fact :
Lunar Laser Ranging experiment , 1GigW lasers are fired from earth for 0.0000001 seconds , less than 10^8 photons actually return back to earth. Atmosphere and with their diverse composition, lasers would just be defracted ,refracted and generally dispersed in the atmosphere before they even hit the planet. If you force it down, you'll just waste energy ionizing the atmosphere.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-10 10:39:11 UTC
I assume they'll probably add larger tactical ammo types in the future which will hit a lot harder than the small. The small stuff probably doesn't hit all that hard. I hope the large ammo is actually sort of weak, and that to pack a REAL punch, you need XL.

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#16 - 2013-01-10 10:41:46 UTC
As i said on another thread.

I am disappointed my Moros can't make holes through planets.
Bad CCP.
Keno Skir
#17 - 2013-01-10 10:41:52 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
[quote=Keno Skir]well if we used Abaddon and fired lasers from orbit , the atmosphere would negates most of the EM .


What you reckon would happen with lasers a fraction fo the size and power then? Say Coercer lasers..
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-10 10:41:57 UTC
Now if you use small hybrid ammo (Rails / projectile)
NOW THOSE should be scientifically the BEST orbital bombardment material.
You can aerodynamically shape them so they won't burn up in orbit,and they're more controllable :D

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Oki Riverson
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#19 - 2013-01-10 10:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Oki Riverson
Anyway regardless of the details ... This is still an awesome feature and a milestone for gaming imo. I have every confidence CCP will balance, rebalance and sort things out.
Keno Skir
#20 - 2013-01-10 10:43:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bunnies can also blow up said destroyer.


You my friend are closing in on a very good point. That said they could just as well attack a battleship with adjusted damage and keep everyone sweet :P
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