Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What is it with mining and being bad at math and economics?

Right now, given identical ships and bonuses, you will make as much or more mining scordite and pyroxeres in highsec as you do mining bistot and crockite in nullsec. Arkonor is only found in grav sites and only in small quantities. You don;t just warp to a belt and mine ark all day.

Also, it is true that there is no suicide gankers in nullsec. But this is only semantics, as their is no suicide by Concord in nullsec. So forget that 700dps Catalyst, because you can roam nullsec all day in a 700dps Hurricane and murder all the miners you want while shrugging off what ever drones they may throw at you in their defense.


Nullsec is not the king of mining. ABC ores are not magic.

By the numbers, highsec is the king of mining, especially when you factor in Concord limiting ganking to suicide runs and the easy access to refineries and markets.

So if you'll make as much, or more, mining low ends in HiSec, then mining a few ABCs to high won't matter. Kthx.

Because it's a sandbox, and some people don't want to live in NullSec?

Except to the extent that it further depresses the prices of the only ores that anyone ever seriously mined in nullsec.

I'd rather have CCP introduce two weaker kinds of ore to balance the two stronger kinds--Veined Omber, Porous Veldspar, that kind of thing--and roll that out to the high sec belts in theme with the idea that resources in high sec are depleted relative to other, less populated areas. The richer ores would then become more common as system security dropped. The highsec-mining-as-playstyle subscribers still get plenty of rocks to mine, and maybe the price of "low-end" minerals becomes robust enough to make them attractive to lowsec and nullsec miners. Someone might finally start chewing on Veldzilla (or was it Scordzilla, I forget). (Though the balance of low-ends in low- and null- sec grav sites needs to be adjusted upward to match the proportions used in manufacturing, because nobody mines the belts there.)

While I'm blue-skying, the Procurer and Skiff need to be redefined as the next step up from the Venture, as relatively quick and slippery ninja miners instead of brick-tanked bait ships.

Then don't live in nullsec. Fly in, cherry pick some "highends" and fly out. Then get laughed at by your highsec buddies who stayed in highsec and made way more isk than you mining ores that are actually vauable and in high demand.

You could probably get them from a wormhole, which would save you a bit of time, and be a bit safer.

No one with any sense would mine in low or null sec for a measly 5-10% more yield. Disagree? Let me ask you this. Would you personally move to low sec and start mining for 5% more yield? Yeah, I didn't think so. Now, if you went with this approach and gave it double yield then sure, I suspect you would see some people move. But in your form this is just an unnecessary buff to high sec mining.

Your idea being bad (as you essentially conceded a few posts up when you threw your hands up and said 'mining is already broken, what does it matter if my terrible idea breaks it even more') is not an 'irrelevant detail'.


We won't hold our breath.

Seriously, using the "sandbox" excuse to marginalize nullsec because your risk-averse, asocial playstyle is incompatible with living in nullsec is goddamn stupid. It's the same nonsense that led to hisec vanguard farmers earning more than 0.0 sanctum runners with zero risk.

What's next, are you going to demand that CCP gives you the ability to fly titans and supercarriers in hisec?