EVE General Discussion

Of course I remember. :)

While I may have been trolling, the troll was based on a kernel of truth, that Kelduum and CCP had been discussing ways in which to ease E-Uni's burdens (mainly with respect to wardecs), since E-Uni does a good job of newbie retention, and it is Kelduum's opinion that wardecs hinder that objective (I would disagree.)

McDarila's comment caught my attention, because maybe those discussions are continuing anew. McDarila's comment struck me just such a nugget that Kelduum would mention in Mumble to the students after one of his CCP dialogues.

Granted it is a vague comment, but not entirely vague that it shouldn't raise eyebrows (or cheers, depending on which side of the fence you come down on.) If CCP is working with E-Uni to add some level of immunity from wardecs to that player-run corporation, then they should let the playerbase know. Open communication and all that. Especially if they are devoting development/coding to the task.

And I read the Uni forums same as most people. There's good information there. As there is here.

I would have no problem with CCP helping EVE University from being wardec'd by small corporations. As long as EVE University does not exploit this and is monitored by CCP, then why not help them. One corporation out of thousands that is setup to help newbies, I believe is fine for CCP to nurture a little.

I'd prefer not to see EVE University go the way of NEW in Darkfall where NEW was repeatedly war dec'd by small clans which proved in the end to be of zero benefit to anyone.

In the end I'll ask just one question, "What would be more benificial for new players in EVE, an NPC corporation or EVE University?".

Except that EVE University has survived seven years of wardecs, and has flourished through times far tougher than they are now. So, why the need for special considerations now? EVE University is not in any danger of "going under." It's stronger than it ever has been as an organization, and that can be chalked up to Kelduum's leadership.

I'm still coming over tomorrow for Thanksgiving dinner, Mom. Let's just agree that there'll be no EVE talk at the table this year. You're still making my favourite, mashed turnips, right?

my awning shields my deck from the sun

if you have a problem with that you can kiss my ass

…and until I hear otherwise from an official source, decshields are exploits and should be reported so they can be broken up and so that repeat offenders can get banned and/or disbanded.

Confirming that there are idiots posting on a forum about internet space pixels
calling other people obsessed, totally denying the level of care they put into what they do in this game.

Also confirming that EvE is meant to hurt and whoever doesn't care,
never gets an adrenaline rush anyway and misses 80% of the fun of the game.

You guys are a poor excuse of human beings.

You really don't get it at all.

It is known that CCP wants to help new players to stick around in the game. There are rumors floating around about how they want to do it. CCP has made no announcements so, until such is made, nothing has been done. We've seen things on SiSi that never left that server and this is just "rumors" with nothing substantial backing it up at this time.

As for such rumors: Any "special treatment" wouldn't be just for EVE University.

It is fairly well understood that successfully keeping new subscribers in this game often depends on finding a "good fit" player corporation early on. EVE University is a "good corporation" - for SOME people. It is not a good fit for many others. It's rules are too strict, it's attitudes and limits on "expressing yourself" are deemed parochial, so on and so forth.

Exactly what CCP are looking at doing is pure speculation but there is a loose association being built between new player training corporations to try and assist each other in placing new players in the best learning environment for them. As far as I am aware it is being arranged by the training corps themselves - CCP "may" be involved in some fashion but that would be 'beyond my paygrade', as it were.

No - EVE University is not the only group out here working on helping and training new players - it is the largest and best known but far from the only one.

Hint: When CCP releases info - that's something to count on and gripe about. When a member of a corporation makes a statement - it should probably be looked at a bit closer for supporting evidence beyond "member 1,038 said..." vs manager, director or maybe even a CEO...

PS: McDarila's been around the uni a while now - a bit under HALF the time I've been here. Both of us are nothing more than senior style members so anything we say here or on our own forums boils down to our opinions on a given topic.

As for the Privateers - those WSOP rules you detest so much... They were formed more due to wars with this group than any other group the uni has fought.

WEEKS of war means hands-on classes aren't run much and that hurts the newest players - "tackling 101" - you can listen to the lecture but there's nothing like "target coming through the gate in a sec... tackle it." then "no, not the gate - the ship. Yes, those gate guns suck in a frigate. go get a new ship and..." hands on instruction.

The types of players who ask 'what is D-Scan?" and "why are bookmarks important? are the ones that McDarila tends to try and watch out for and that is why they see the Privateers as a major threat.

BC Hastings is more a "businessman" than your typical lulz-ganker. If he's destroying and looting more than it's costing, he'll keep a war going. Wars don't stop lectures but they do impact hands-on classes. That doesn't mess with senior types - it does our newest members.

As such, McDarila got to grasping at straws hoping something happens - I'm less so that way. The WSOP will be back in a week and Hastings has a few wars worth of "it ain't worth it" under his belt. I doubt he'll renew and if he does... Not for long - It is not "profitable" to do so when we have the WSOP in full force. I tend to trust his greed a bit more than his word, for some odd reason.

So - yes a knee-jerk reaction from a longer term member of the uni put a rumor out that you read as a fact. It isn't a fact and won't fit as such until/unless CCP decides it wants to to do something and announces it. Hoping for does not mean it happens - YOU may not remember a functional new toolbar on SiSi but some of us do and it went "poof". That at least many folks got to see - this? ...

Friggn wall of text.. sheesh...

- We have goons trying to cut off the tap to blue ice
- We have pl trying to cut off T2 production
- We have eve uni teaching noobs how to play using the increasing cost of multiple wardecs to insulate them from boobie pvp at the Jita 4-4 undock

Sing along with me

"one of these things is not like the other..."

Op please go get some vitamin D

Agreed. One of these things is an exploit.