EVE General Discussion

Well I just lost a freighter and the others maybe were lost the same way: kill rights.

Apparently, because I had killed someone earlier, they were able to make the kill rights they gained on me available to all of Eve.

Personally, I think this is lame. Maybe not the mechanic itself but the fact that I was totally unaware of this. I log in, check we're not at war with anyone, undock and hit autopilot and come back 30mins later to a pod in a station.

Just seems a bit cheap to lose a ship like this. No involvement from myself, no achievement by the gankers, just no point really.
I'm not even annoyed by the loss, it's like it's not mine really because I wasn't involved but it's left a nice red smear on the killboard. I just feel like, "Sigh, that's going to take a while to earn back. Can I really be bothered?"

I don't want to dumb down Eve but perhaps CCP should make it clear when you are a sitting duck. People say I should have received a notification and I think I remember one about kill rights, but nothing that said "now you're fair game to the whole of Eve". It would be good to make it clear.

If you're referring to my comment, I'm not at all in favor of slots for freighters. They do what they do well and don't need a nerf. Let's go with Tippia's example here:


Given the balancing he mentions, you must also divide hull HP by 2.5 (or a balanced amount) to account for a possible DCU II, do something similar for armor and shields, and also reduce scan res, signature, and a whole host of other stats to take into account other possible modules.

In other words, no sensible hauler wants this. Freighters haul **** very well. They don't need options.

As has been mentioned just above me and in previous posts / threads for ever. Don't transport lots of expensive kit in one go.

I've been a 'victim' of this and I started playing 5+ years ago. I stopped for a few years and simply forgot this cardinal rule when I came back. I remembered it very quickly . I don't consider this an issue at all. It adds a bit of 'spice' to any hi sec endevour

This doesn't remove the other simple rule, which is : if someone wants to ruin your day, consider it ruined as soon as the first shot comes in

This isn't true. The reason for the Cargo Nerf is to stop Freighters tipping over the 1 Million volume mark, at which point they can transport Capital Ships in their holds. As this would change a major gameplay dynamic that currently exists.
There is however, no reason that if a Freighter pilot chose to accept a much smaller cargo hold that they couldn't have a larger tank than they currently do. Since a 15% larger tank or even 100% larger tank would not create a change in a major gameplay dynamic, it would only change the cost required to gank one.
That said, I would expect some drop in the base freighter tank if they got decent fitting options, but it doesn't have to be on the same scale as the possible benefits.

Ganking something with Tier 3 BCs costs more than an equivalent gank did before Crucible.
Everybody keeps forgetting the Insurance nerf.

You missed the epic rush to get him off the 4-4 dock.
It was glorious.
I was also the only one to loot him.
He had almost made it as well a mere 2km from docking.
The some one had to pop his wreck with all the goodies in it.
I am most displeased.

They should allow freighter pilot to use thier brain so they stop trying stunts like hauling 20 bill worth of cargo in a single trip.

There's the Killrights tab - a dedicated tab - in your Character Sheet which details the status and disposition of all killrights related to your char.

There were the numerous Dev Blogs and posts by devs in these forums detailing and discussing the Killrights changes that came with Retribution.

The info was all there, ahead of when the changes were introduced even, and you just chose not to study it. You received a notification when the kill right was made available for others to buy; but you disregarded it. You received another notification when those kill rights were then purchased and activated; but you were AFK, in space, in an expensive ship.

You're suffering from a good dose of indignation. You losing your ship wasn't a "cheap" act on the part of your aggressors - they were taking advantage of the mechanics. Mechanics which you chose to ignore.

This may be surprising to hear, but Eve is a little bit more involved than "Undock, push button"

3 steps to increasing freighter survivability:
Train all relevant tanking skills to max.
Use a fleet booster.
Don't autopilot.

[/quote]There's the Killrights tab - a dedicated tab - in your Character Sheet which details the status and disposition of all killrights related to your char.

There were the numerous Dev Blogs and posts by devs in these forums detailing and discussing the Killrights changes that came with Retribution.

The info was all there, ahead of when the changes were introduced even, and you just chose not to study it. You received a notification when the kill right was made available for others to buy; but you disregarded it. You received another notification when those kill rights were then purchased and activated; but you were AFK, in space, in an expensive ship.

You're suffering from a good dose of indignation. You losing your ship wasn't a "cheap" act on the part of your aggressors - they were taking advantage of the mechanics. Mechanics which you chose to ignore.

This may be surprising to hear, but Eve is a little bit more involved than "Undock, push button"[/quote]

I realise that you probably have a need to post things like this in order to feel superior or something but if you can get past that then I am just trying to make a simple point. I don't care about the ship. I've played this game for years and had far, far worst, near rage quitting, experiences of quite massive indignation, but this is not one. The only reaction of any note I'm sure were the squeals of girlish delight by the gankers upon their great success in achieving nothing. My reaction upon returning to my screen was "huh, oh great". That's it really.

Everything that happens to you in Eve is your own fault. That is learnt the hard way. The best point, the one that no-one has actually mentioned so far is that I originally got those kill-rights by killing someone else - ergo Karma! I have well over 2,000 kills in Eve and I'm the last person to bemoan the loss of a ship. I don't think freighters need a buff at all and suicide ganking a freighter is something to crow about. The only point I am making is that having people (and I know I am not alone) wondering about in high-sec not realising they are targets is lame because it removes all the skill from the game.

I've just returned to the game, what makes more sense, that I read every dev blog written over the past year or that CCP simply writes a line of text into the notification saying "you can now be legally shot at by anyone, in any space for the duration of these kill rights"? That is all I am saying. I have learnt the mechanics the hard way and obviously know the deal now, but to save other players the lesson, I think on this one that it's fair for CCP to make it clear.