Wormholes

Yeah I am going to be honest here. The ONLY times I have EVER been killed while doing pve in a wormhole, was while I was not watching Dscan. Ive lost nighthawks and Drakes to c3 sites. After the fourth loss I had enough and decided to stop being lazy.

The people we kill in ladar sites are being lazy. The venture just makes it get away faster. I can guarantee you that if the people you are scanning are watching DScan, they cant be caught if you have to combat them. Even if you had rokh with all shield extenders in the mids and a running microwarp drive, you would not be able to catch him at the site if he was watching his Dscan.

Simply put, pray to bob to deliver you lazy farmers for your glorious venture wood chipper.

+2 warp core strength is not much of an issue.

The problem is it has more yield than a battlecruser, can carry more gas (magic) aligns almost instandly and is so hard to scan.

Yes a battlecruser would still get away if it saw your combats on d-scan, but it only took 1 scan with good skills and good d-scanning (from attacker) the venture takes 3-4 scans usually even with perfect scan strength and deviation. 20-30 seconds where the bear can check d-scan instead of about 8 seconds.

All this would be fine if the bear was fleet boostings his sig smaller and using modules to reduce it but no, all this is pre-build into the ship, there is no trade-offs, unlike most other ships in the game it gets all it needs without a single module.

It's almost like it was a special-purpose ship, no? Unlike a BC, it's actually designed from the ground up for mining and gas harvesting in hostile space! This reminds of ships like covert ops, Orca and titans- they are all much better in their roles than a battlecruiser would be.

40m sig is pretty big for a frigate. Scan sig strength is target sig radius / target sensor strength. Venture has 5 points, resulting in 8. Same as a Thorax. Talos has 10. Imicus 3.73.

Anyway, lolcombatprobes in wormhole space :D

Do you regularly find occators running sites?

You don't really need a point to stop an occator warping.

No, you find them on wormholes or scooping gas out of a site (venture ore holds are nice and all, but C540 is big, as are some others) which is where a nice little Proteus driver with a TS scram would sit, cloaked, to ruin someones day. The point I'm trying to make here it fit your ship for any eventuality, not for any eventuality EXCEPT someone fitting stabs, or encountering a ship with +2 warp strength. If your goal is to kill people, you better bring the right tackle.

The venture does too much well. No specific ability is op. Its just the fact that it has waaaayyy too many stacked on a ship that sells for 500k.

People keep saying silly things like "It is designed for a singular purpose like mining... why shouldnt it be able to warp quick". Yeah, because hulks and mining barges that are also specifically suited to a similar task are perfect examples of agility that can escape poor situations as easily (and at 400x the price in the case of a hulk).

I love using the venture. It makes gas mining so much less of a chore without having to manage jet cans. And it does make you settle into lazy mode without having to look at dscan as much because lets face it, if something pops up on grid you have a 2 second align time with agility rigs.

But I ******* hate hunting ventures now with a passion. Yes, before bc's could always get away if the pilot was diligently watching dscan. But a venture pilot doesnt even need to watch dscan. About the only ship capable of catching a venture pilot who knows to warp off at the first instant of a hostile ship on grid, would be a sebo'd stealth bomber. Anything else either is landing on the site uncloaked (which gives PLENTY of time for a venture to warp off), or has at least a 5 second decloak timer (also enough time).

Even options like a sabre landing (assuming the venture sucked and didnt warp out in time), are mediocre unless the sabre manages to get a scram/web on the venture considering it can do close to 3k m/s.

So combine its extreme survivability (small sig radius to make it harder to scan, very fast align time, frig velocity if it needs to burn out of a bubble, +2 warp core strength), with the fact that its actually BETTER then every other much more expensive option for gas mining like cruisers/BC's (5000k ore hold compared to 1-3k depending on cruiser/bc type), and then consider its stupidly inexpensive price (and the fact that it only needs 2 gas harvesters instead of 5 which also drops the price), and youve got a ship that doesnt exactly sound balanced by any definition of the word. There is absolutely no downside/drawback to the ship whatsoever.


And yes I know people are getting venture kills. Ive gotten quite a few too. They are mostly due to someone being so lazy theyre practically away from their keyboard mining. Just because people get kills does not make it balanced.

You can catch them with all sorts!

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15843311

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15843312

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15843685

Finally, some real PVP in wormholes... Be still my beating heart

1st you have to explain why is this a problem.

It isn't one.