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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#81 - 2013-01-08 23:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
EI Digin wrote:
CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.


It happens more often that you think. I have helped new players quite a few times with ISK donations. In one case I sent 136m to one player to help then cover losses after they started a thread here on the forums. I had never even heard of the person before that, so it wasn't somebody I helped because I knew.

---> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96497&p=2

Normally I wouldn't have, but that player seemed like somebody who would take advice, accept the donation, and know not to make the same mistake again.

On top of that, if you read through that thread, I wasn't the only long time player to help out either.
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#82 - 2013-01-08 23:11:47 UTC
Without new players eve will eventually die, simple as.
Although as a bittervet i dont want anything changed so much it screws me for all my hard earned years
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#83 - 2013-01-08 23:25:36 UTC
OP are you trying to unseat me as the most elite parasite carebear Big smile

No seriously you have a good point an I agree there's too much snobbish behavior but it comes from those who want to feel superior.Bear
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2013-01-09 17:07:04 UTC
There's a huge difference between pilots and players unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view).

A good player can adapt and use things to his advantage (tool usage, think outside the box, play an alt differently than his main).

A good pilot knows what he has and can only use those to his advantage.

One is not necessarily the other.

One of the biggest problems to the mindset of a good pilot versus a good player is the idea that you need to be an ass to be good or popular.

Makes you a bad player, even if you're a good pilot.

The best players are the ones who can act and play a game to be playing the game, not letting the game play them.

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-01-09 19:54:32 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
There's a huge difference between pilots and players unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view).

A good player can adapt and use things to his advantage (tool usage, think outside the box, play an alt differently than his main).

A good pilot knows what he has and can only use those to his advantage.

One is not necessarily the other.

One of the biggest problems to the mindset of a good pilot versus a good player is the idea that you need to be an ass to be good or popular.

Makes you a bad player, even if you're a good pilot.

The best players are the ones who can act and play a game to be playing the game, not letting the game play them.


That's real talk bruh. Respect.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2013-01-09 20:05:30 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
There's a huge difference between pilots and players unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view).

A good player can adapt and use things to his advantage (tool usage, think outside the box, play an alt differently than his main).

A good pilot knows what he has and can only use those to his advantage.

One is not necessarily the other.

One of the biggest problems to the mindset of a good pilot versus a good player is the idea that you need to be an ass to be good or popular.

Makes you a bad player, even if you're a good pilot.

The best players are the ones who can act and play a game to be playing the game, not letting the game play them.


That's real talk bruh. Respect.



Try to remember that next time I go through TEST space from Gondista to Stain and get caught in one of your Alliance's bubbles please =)

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#87 - 2013-01-09 20:58:03 UTC
People are responsible for whining and rumor on forum and spreading chaos and mention that EvE is rip, while people who are inside game and these who stay away from forum got a lot fun.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-01-09 21:04:20 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Without new players eve will eventually die, simple as.
Although as a bittervet i dont want anything changed so much it screws me for all my hard earned years



Hey, I've read sayings from your bitter vet fellah's claiming skill points mean nothing, so what's the advantage you guys don't really want to loose that makes so much fuss?

If skill points advantage on an older toon means nothing then what the heck "advantage" are you talking about?

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XminotaurX
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2013-01-09 21:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: XminotaurX
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
Without new players eve will eventually die, simple as.
Although as a bittervet i dont want anything changed so much it screws me for all my hard earned years



Hey, I've read sayings from your bitter vet fellah's claiming skill points mean nothing, so what's the advantage you guys don't really want to loose that makes so much fuss?

If skill points advantage on an older toon means nothing then what the heck "advantage" are you talking about?


You quote "advantage" and he never says the word at all...trolling 101 i guess
loose - tight
lose - win/find
loose...lol

He is referring to the amount of time he has put into the game in all areas.
A noob can join, specialize, and be efficient in any number of ships.
And be just as effective as the older players.
Just not every ship.
Bittervet is a term used by noobs that complain they can never catch up....this isn't true.
They can catch up if they use remaps and keep an eye on their character...it will take time...but it is that time most of us have already put in.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-01-09 21:55:03 UTC
I do my part by complaining daily to CCP.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-01-09 22:23:05 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.

Ironically, it's those "sociopaths" that got me into this game. Were it all just the grab a point and go PvP that many insist is the best way to learn I probably would have quit shortly after joining. I've always been more of a PvE player and will probably continue to be and I'm quite grateful to those sociopathic, misguided elitist for their inclusion of a no skill catalyst pilot in their lvl 4 missions. For their isk to help out when I did something stupid and got popped. For their fitting advice and help in selecting new ships while I learned what I like.

To be honest you will find elitism and exclusion regardless of where you look, null and highsec, but I've seen an abundance of genuinely good spirited help given in NPC corps and highsec.
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-01-10 02:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
XminotaurX wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
Without new players eve will eventually die, simple as.
Although as a bittervet i dont want anything changed so much it screws me for all my hard earned years



Hey, I've read sayings from your bitter vet fellah's claiming skill points mean nothing, so what's the advantage you guys don't really want to loose that makes so much fuss?

If skill points advantage on an older toon means nothing then what the heck "advantage" are you talking about?


You quote "advantage" and he never says the word at all...trolling 101 i guess
loose - tight
lose - win/find
loose...lol

He is referring to the amount of time he has put into the game in all areas.
A noob can join, specialize, and be efficient in any number of ships.
And be just as effective as the older players.
Just not every ship.
Bittervet is a term used by noobs that complain they can never catch up....this isn't true.
They can catch up if they use remaps and keep an eye on their character...it will take time...but it is that time most of us have already put in.



No a "Bittervet" is someone who I see clearly doesn't enjoy the game anymore and/or (Snipped personal insults. -- ISD LackOfFaith), so they seek to boost themselves by insulting and harrassing new players. Instead of taking that chance to help that person see the beauty of the game, they instead seek to make their gaming experience as miserable as possible. That is a "Bittervet" to me.

Example: Solstice Project. That guy is a Grade A, Elitist loser who says things like "Carebears are inferior to PVPers". With a straight face. People like that, I'd trade for 20 noobs anyday, they need to go. THEY destroy the game with that horrid attitude they have. (Snipped personal insults. -- ISD LackOfFaith)
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#93 - 2013-01-10 03:31:53 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:


Stuff...sounds important...totally not...



How is that Test/Goon Scamming of new players going?
Did Hulkageddon work out favorably for your corp?
How many noobs did your corp destroy in the burn Jita event?
Is your corp the botter corp? Or are you in a corp that just benefits from it?

I'll bet new players would stay longer over some guy complaining than one of the above events.
If you are legit, start on your own alliance first. Spread through your blues...then feel free to whine more about elitists
and the like.


Irony = Test/Goons coming in and telling others about morals....
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-01-10 05:48:34 UTC
Ildryn wrote:
Max Doobie wrote:


Stuff...sounds important...totally not...



How is that Test/Goon Scamming of new players going?
Did Hulkageddon work out favorably for your corp?
How many noobs did your corp destroy in the burn Jita event?
Is your corp the botter corp? Or are you in a corp that just benefits from it?

I'll bet new players would stay longer over some guy complaining than one of the above events.
If you are legit, start on your own alliance first. Spread through your blues...then feel free to whine more about elitists
and the like.


Irony = Test/Goons coming in and telling others about morals....



Why would anyone scam a noob??? They have nothing to take. ANY scammers I know in nullsec don't even talk to you unless they see you have at least 2-3 bill dude...

I could copy and paste a link to our forums where HBC are told specifically to NOT scam new players, as they are our bread and butter. I personally wouldn't bother with an Alliance that scammed New players or even returning players for that matter as, again, I take the issue of EVE's growth VERY seriously. I CANNOT control what someone else does dude. You will find scammers in EVERY SINGLE alliance in EVE, excluding Ivy League. That's a FACT< whether it's permitted or not, it's happening in some form.

I can also tell you first hand that TEST does NOT allow botting in any shape or form. Thousands of people in TEST, don't you think someone would snitch??? Montolio crawled up my ass personally once for admitting to AFK mining, so I know damned well he won't stand for botters in his alliance as that **** could get us shut down completely. Years of hard work for some easy isk when we already make tons from our LEGIT sources??? Nah dude...stop reading EN24.
NeoShocker
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#95 - 2013-01-10 06:31:02 UTC
Well, I do agree, but i'll agree fully when its posted by someone more... neutral ... Like Ivy League, RvB, etc. No offense OP.
Dreusyla Arashi
LitlCorp
#96 - 2013-01-10 09:24:47 UTC
Anndy wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Anndy wrote:
no the problem is theres a lot more asshats now and its become normal, its been accepted and encouraged for a few years now, the only thing thats changed is people are getting sick of it

Actually, it's the other way round.
There are more and more people not understanding what the game stands for.
Look at the advertisements. That's the reality of the game.
They ignore that and whine about things that are perfectly natural within this environment.

The weak die, the strong survive. It's natural, but they can't deal with that,
because they think they are smart. They think they are strong.

We show them that they are wrong ... and that's why they whine, cry and rage.


it is NOW yes but it never used to be, this used to be a good community, sure you had some of the same stuff but it was rare then goons happened


you know this kinda posting irratates me i hate the goons too but you know what? before goons there was BoB... so befoer shooting our mouth off about the big alliances... remember that there will always be another ******* alliance to take over that spot
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#97 - 2013-01-10 09:42:11 UTC
Max Doobie wrote:
Nah dude...stop reading EN24.

Literally the only valid point in this trainwreck of a thread
OffBeaT
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-01-10 10:00:55 UTC
as soon as I get a cal ship that can fight man.. I'll do it! ill do it!

im always a loser.. Cry
rswfire
#99 - 2013-01-10 10:20:08 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
As far i know almost every new player knows what he or she is getting into when they first subscribe into EvE
EvE has that reputation , to be harsh , and unforgivable to the new unsuspected player, just look atother game forums , when ever they mention EvE everybody shivers and get scared


I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

Reason 1:
When I started Eve, all I knew about it was it was "a space game." I was ganked the second I joined my first corp and left the station I applied in. I didn't know what had happened to me or why. Look at my employment history. Eve lost me for several years after that. Who the hell wants to learn a new game where they are constantly being harassed by jackasses? Sorry, but there are a lot of them here. They aren't what make Eve great; they're what ruin the fun for a lot of people. I get it, those guys are perfectly happy with the status quo; they don't mind low subscription numbers so they are quick to say, "If you don't like it, don't play it...or this game isn't for you." My response, "How about you give me a moment to decide if I even like this game enough to want to put up with your crap?" If you're one of them and you want to respond to me with "cry some more" all I have to say is "sorry, but this is my game too! And wanting to enjoy my free time isn't crying. There's room for both of us here; fail to understand your actions, and neither of us will be forever."

Reason 2:
When I tell people I play Eve, most have never even heard of it. Sorry, but that's a fact, and that is why CCP to this day buys advertising on Google AdWords. Do other MMOs do this? Ten years later? I can't think of one. Not ever. In the history of MMOs. And you know what I tell my friends? "Don't even bother trying it." I'm not going to support this game or tell my friends to play it when I know they won't enjoy it. Why am I here? Because, for the moment, I'm willing to deal with the parasites that make up the Eve ecosystem for the parts of the game I actually do enjoy. Yeah, I'm shivering and shaking in my boots, all right. Eve has no reputation; it's not known. And that's actually a good thing.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-01-10 10:21:43 UTC
Mac Omac wrote:
Translation: We won EVE and its getting kinda boring, and boredom causes problems. Give us entertainment as you struggle in vain against our botting empire

since when google translator got access to Eve Online forums? Shocked

(your translation sucks as usually suck translations of google translator)

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"