EVE General Discussion

EVE is dying, EVE is failing, blah blah blah.

Want EVE to continue to grow? Do your part.

Stop looking to CCP to do this or that. You bittervets especially. You're always harping about how this is a Sandbox...so that means that the success of this game is in our hands (for the most part...let's be realistic here...CCP CAN destroy it themselves).

If EVE fails these Elitist, rude, snobbish Bittervets can blame themselves for part of it. Say what you will, but people play this game to have fun. If I'm bombarded with snipe after snips, insult after insult and rude jackass after rude jackass, I will not want to pay for this game as a brand new player. It's that simple.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all game for sarcasm, pranks and douchebaggery in the name of fun but some folks take pride in their ability to verbally assault people simply for asking questions in an attempt to learn the game. Ironically these same jerks tend to be the ones who jump on noobs for making dumb decisions instead of asking questions and doing research.

"Ah stop whining if they can't handle it, then they should leave, we don't need them".

CCP stops making money then CCP stops EVE. Simple. It's in your best interest to help EVE grow. It's basic math and common sense.

Bottom line is normal people do not like dealing with D-bags on a regular basis, let alone have to pay to deal with them. I understand some of you are (Snipped personal insults. -- ISD LackOfFaith). I get that. But you are destroying EVE. That one noob you just spazzed out on in local for asking a question? Not only will he leave if that behavior continues but you lose the chance of him talking to his friends and getting them into the game as well.

That 2 week old miner you just ganked and smack talked to? He's probably gone too.

Kee acting like "it doesn't matter, screw them". I guarantee you that CCP does not share your sentiments in regards to new players becoming fed up with the elitism and jackassery and leaving the game. Case and point?


Can baiting.

If CCP truly shared your views on "sink or swim, screw noobs, it's a ruthless EVE", why have they then put up several obstacles to you griefing them? Please explain that.

They don't. THEY see the value (literally) in new players staying. Now, I'm not talking about the folks who leave because they joined RvB and got blown up. Can't do anything about them. However most noobs (myself included) understand fully that this is a ruthless game, HOWEVER, the community can make or break a game for us. It's exactly why I left WoW. I was the guy who helped noobs. I was the level 80-85 that ran noobs through dungeons, helped them out with gold to get them started, helped fit them with guilds that fit their needs. It wasn't because I pitied them. It was because I loved the game and I understood that as an EXP player that TRULY loved the game, I had an obligation to help others see the beauty of the game. All of them asked if they could do anything for me. My response was always the same: Just promise to pass it along when you reach peak cap. Take your butt out there and help some noobs and help this game grow. That's it.

I guess I just want players to understand just how much they influence growth. Stop looking to CCP to change things for the better. There's a lot YOU can do RIGHT NOW to help secure the future of the game you supposedly love. AGAIN, this is NOT about handouts (I am very much expecting the "oh when I started we were alone and had to hike a mountain, chop down a tree and run 15 miles before we could even log in" crowd to show up. My response: whatever dude. Times change. The number one killer of empires, dynasties and kingdoms is the inability and unwillingness to embrace evolution and progression. Any history geek like myself can verify that. This isn't 2003. It's 2013. It is not the same EVE. It is not the same world.

TLDR: If you can't read this, then It's not geared to you anyway, for obvious reasons. If you can'ttake time to read a forum post then I sure as hell don't expect you to take the time to help anyone.

Not everyone in Test thinks the same way man. You should read the post I just made in the Miner Bumping thread for an example of that,as well as my posting history.

Posting in rant & passive threat thread #9405.

Feel better now?

This is a game. I am my own man. I have a mind of my own. I cannot speak for the rest of TEST. I speak for myself.

I BELIEVE in helping new players.
I BELIEVE in letting people play as they will.
I BELIEVE everyone has their niche in the great game of ours.
I BELIEVE that being in TEST makes me no better than anyone else.

You contribute as much as I do to this game Skydell. Perhaps more as you have been playing longer I assume.

If it's impossible for you to believe that there are HBC/CFC'ers that care about new people that's fine. All I can do is show my hand and let it play out. I truly care about this game and I believe new players are what keeps us going. I do not see them as a liability or a nuisance. I see them as people who sustain something I love.

dunno why i read this thread, i want a refund.

CFC and the HBC have done more for new players than highsec ever will.

This is truly the real reason why highsec should be nerfed, highseccers just chase new players away with their misguided elitism. In highsec you're either in a pimped out marauder or T3, or you're in a hulk or mackinaw or you're worthless, whereas in nullsec t1 frigates and new players who are willing to take risks are actually useful and are rewarded by those who remember the difficulties they had as a new player.

When's the last time you sent someone who's been in the game for less than a month isk for helping you? Or are you too busy racking up the amount on your wallet screen to care?

This is the real reason why we hate you, because you're all sociopaths.

It's funny so far 99% of responses are exactly what the thread is about. I and my corp try to give back to eve by teaching new players, and giving back to the game we truly love.we don't troll forums or in game for one reason it's childish, and to be frank I prefer a level of respect over jokes for the sake of trying to be funny. I agree with the op. all the way and we need more people who believe this IMHO.


Just a thought treat people kind and it will return to you, treat them with disrespect and you have typical eve player.

Have to agree on the newbie/can baiting/player retention stuff.

I've always felt that we NEED MORE PLAYERS and not that we should run those just starting EVE off the server. There SHOULD be protection in place for brand new players.

My opinions on this have been the same since I started in 05.

Can you add a TL;DR? I read a few paragraphs and still didnt' get the point except "I mad".
Yes they should let newbies earn ISK more easily—the new FW changes are already a great step in that direction, so stop worrying so much lol.

Actually, there is one thing that I thought of after I wrote my post.

None of the newbie hostility is a new thing in EVE, and the same goes for people acting like jackasses. This has been the case since day 1.

And yet, the amount of subscribers increases each year.