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Thomas Hurt

Future Ventures

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#21 - 2013-01-08 00:18:51 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Imagine how well virtual punishments work in deterring this sort of thing.

Virtual punishments such as being thrown off the CSM, having your real name associated with an NDA breach (not a good career move, FYI), being permabanned, and having all the ISK destroyed, you mean?

All of those, except for the real-name association with a NDA breach are virtual. I also have some theories based around Vedic/Gnostic philosophy that present our "real" world as being virtual and akin to a dream, if anyone is interested in hearing about that.

Dave Stark

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#22 - 2013-01-08 00:21:44 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Rengerel en Distel wrote:

Yeah, not really sure it matters which goon is on the CSM does it? Rather have one that can address the economic impact of CCP decisions before they happen, than some of those with no clue the market even exists.

The best option, in my view, would be *no* goon on the CSM; I don't treat their presence as an inevitability that has to be worked within. I certainly wouldn't want a member of the Jewbal there; your argument is akin to saying "lets make Madoff head of financial regulation in the U.S., he knows all the tricks and how to game the system".

the best option is to have some of the most knowledgeable players unable to be on the CSM? you really think that's the best option?

the argument actually holds, that's why security companies hire reformed criminals as consultants to look for any flaws in their security systems etc.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 3,706	#23 - 2013-01-08 00:22:52 UTC \| Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza Rengerel en Distel wrote: Yeah, not really sure it matters which goon is on the CSM does it? . i'd take a corestwo over a lyris nairn tbh alcohol tolerance seems to be a bigger csm factor then alliance affiiliation if larconis and that other guy are to be believed.

Thomas Hurt

Future Ventures

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#24 - 2013-01-08 00:23:50 UTC

Dave stark wrote:

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Rengerel en Distel wrote:

So use them as consultants, don't elect them as representatives. I certainly wouldn't want Madoff as my senator (my example could've been better).

Dave Stark

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#25 - 2013-01-08 00:25:05 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Dave stark wrote:

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Rengerel en Distel wrote:

So use them as consultants, don't elect them as representatives. I certainly wouldn't want Madoff as my senator (my example could've been better).

i thought that's pretty much what the csm were, consultants of sorts.

yeah, um, not american so i have no idea who madoff is.

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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#26 - 2013-01-08 00:27:38 UTC 1 Thomas Hurt wrote: So use them as consultants, don't elect them as representatives. I certainly wouldn't want Madoff as my senator (my example could've been better). If the people vote for them then they have every right to be there. And having people with a history of finding flaws in the game and forcing to get them fixed is always nice to have.

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#27 - 2013-01-08 00:37:07 UTC Thomas Hurt wrote: All of those, except for the real-name association with a NDA breach are virtual. No, all of them except the ISK confiscation is real-world consequences, and the ISK confiscation hits other players, which makes it a borderline case too.


Thomas Hurt Future Ventures Likes received: 344	#28 - 2013-01-08 00:37:08 UTC baltec1 wrote: [quote=Thomas Hurt] If the people vote for them then they have every right to be there. That's what we sacrifice for a democratic system of governance, but I'm here to warn people against electing more Goons to the CSM, not advocating the dismantling of the institution.

Dave Stark

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#29 - 2013-01-08 00:37:52 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

If the people vote for them then they have every right to be there.

That's what we sacrifice for a democratic system of governance, but I'm here to warn people against electing more Goons to the CSM, not advocating the dismantling of the institution.

yet you still haven't provided a single reason why people shouldn't vote for goons other than "i don't like them"


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#30 - 2013-01-08 00:41:04 UTC Thomas Hurt wrote: baltec1 wrote: [quote=Thomas Hurt] If the people vote for them then they have every right to be there. That's what we sacrifice for a democratic system of governance, but I'm here to warn people against electing more Goons to the CSM. Why?

Tesal

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#31 - 2013-01-08 00:41:45 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Dave stark wrote:

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Rengerel en Distel wrote:

So use them as consultants, don't elect them as representatives. I certainly wouldn't want Madoff as my senator (my example could've been better).

You're main is a Goon. You said so in the SCC-Lounge a few months ago. Maybe if you don't like Goons you should start by quitting.

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Mistah Ewedynao Ice Axe Psycho Killers Likes received: 590	#32 - 2013-01-08 00:45:35 UTC 1 90% of the GD "regulars" are Goons or Goon alts. Dave Stark for sure. Nerf Goons Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.


Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#33 - 2013-01-08 00:47:11 UTC Mistah Ewedynao wrote: 90% of the GD "regulars" are Goons or Goon alts. Dave Stark for sure. shrug i post on my main, and my corp history is public.


Thomas Hurt Future Ventures Likes received: 344	#34 - 2013-01-08 00:50:35 UTC 1 Tesal wrote: You're main is a Goon. You said so in the SCC-Lounge a few months ago. Maybe if you don't like Goons you should start by quitting. I jumped the gun a bit on calling myself a goon, turns out I was just being recruitment scammed and they trapped me in a system with some other newbies and forced us to mine (I started a thread about it).

Dave Stark

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#35 - 2013-01-08 00:52:46 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Tesal wrote:

You're main is a Goon. You said so in the SCC-Lounge a few months ago. Maybe if you don't like Goons you should start by quitting.

I jumped the gun a bit on calling myself a goon, turns out I was just being recruitment scammed and they trapped me in a system with some other newbies and forced us to mine (I started a thread about it).

now we get to the truth. you were stupid, goons showed you the error of your ways, and now you're bitter about it?
this really has nothing to do with the csm.

Tesal

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#36 - 2013-01-08 01:00:42 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Tesal wrote:

You're main is a Goon. You said so in the SCC-Lounge a few months ago. Maybe if you don't like Goons you should start by quitting.

Riiiiiiiiiiight........

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#37 - 2013-01-08 01:04:15 UTC

Thomas Hurt wrote:

Tesal wrote:

You're main is a Goon. You said so in the SCC-Lounge a few months ago. Maybe if you don't like Goons you should start by quitting.

Even I find that one a bit hard to belive...

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Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,315	#38 - 2013-01-08 01:04:35 UTC 1 Thomas Hurt wrote: I'm here to warn people against electing more Goons to the CSM tbh I'd take a Goon over pretty much anyone claiming to be a "high-sec" representative. It's good to know they're running someone. CCP has no sense of humour.