Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, maybe I have this backward, but wasn't attack the faster/less-tanky/dps focused ship, and combat the slower/tanky/dps focused ship?

If so, how is the Rokh not the combat ship among the 3? It has the Tank bonus, and it's optimal bonus almost makes blasters not suck. It's clearly meant to dig in and deliver damage for an extended battle.

The Raven, by comparison, gets what amounts to damage and range(missile velocity) on missles and torpedoes. While the ship itself may not boast the speed and agility that marks the attack ships in the smaller classes, it is clearly more focused on delivering it's damage to the target than it is in staying and talking about it.

What will be interesting is to see if they change the other races BS lines to reflect a non-dps related combat role, or change the scorpion away from it's disruption role. I'm personally hoping for more combat-utility roles rather than more direct combat ships. If they do something with the EW/utility drones (and drones in general) you could consider the Dominix as a support BS. I'd slot the Apocalypse into a support role, probably with range and amount bonuses on energy Neut/Nos rather than cap use bonuses. In the Minmatar line up, the Typhoon seems best to be re-fit into a support role, similar to the cruiser line with missles/torps and Target Painting.

From this picture shipbalancing in your thread. I would assume that ccp will also add further BS, especially a Caldari Attack BS and a Disruptor BS for Amarr Gallente and Minmatar. Also I am quit afraid of a Gallente Disruptor BS, assuming some Serpentis missions where my Raven was damped down to 10 km sensor range.

But i think the difference between Attack and Combat line is that Attack stays for fast and strong assaults like "Hit-and-Run" tactics, while the Combat line stays more for constant longer lasting fights. At least this would explain why the Raven and Dominx are both Combat ships, cause the Raven is a strong Cruise missile sniper, and the Dominix is a Drone and Blaster boat. But both of them get defense or longlivity only by modules or a good tactic.

I agree. Tiericide is about leveling the playing field so that progression of ships will be from class to class, not ship to ship.

The lower end tier 1 BCs are being brought up and the tier 2 ones brought down to meet them, both will have 17 slots rather than 16 and 18 respectively. Not sure what they will do with the tier 3s but they are a special case.

So, on to the BSs. The OP pointed to a lack of dps from the Tempest compared to the Maelstrom. It can actually out dps the Maelstrom, thanks to its double bonus to large projectiles, the two launcher slots allow it to exceed the Maelstroms potential. But most use these slots for utility, something the Maelstrom lacks. That said, I don't doubt that thew gap between the two ships will be reduced.

As for an extra launcher on the Raven, I think that's highly unlikely to see the light of day. You can already get 1200 dps out of a T2 Torp fit Raven. It has a good buffer and even has space to fit two TPs. I don't see them wanting to up that potential.

As for rapid heavy launchers, I will have to ask you one question:
Name one BS that cannot field a full flight of medium drones.

Most cruisers can't field many drones unless they are designed to do so, especially Caldari who are the primary missile users. So they can say there is a need for something to combat frigates on that scale. But that being said, how often does it even get used? With the T2 missile rebalance, the rapid light launcher is pretty much obsolete.

I'm glad to see the Typhoon getting the Torp boat treatment, it should be interesting, (especially if it gets a TP bonus and 7 launchers though I expect it to get 6.)
I would also like to see more diversity in the Amarr BS line. Right now its lasers, lasers or lasers, even in the T2 lines. Launchers would be great. I know I'm not alone in this view. (Torpagedon ftw!)
CCP also acknowledged the pile of poop known as the Hyperion, which they agreed is in need of TLC. That's going to be an interesting one.

Other than that, I'm fairly sure its going to be tweeks here and there to bring all the BSs into an equal line.

On a related note, each race has access to 6 frigates, 4 cruisers and 3 battleships. It would be niece to see a little more diversity at the top.of the sub cap chain.

I'm in favour of making the Typhoon (TP+Torps), Hyperion (Not good atm), and Armageddon (Bhaalgorn light) disruption ships.

Normalize HP/PG/CPU/total slot count to current Tier 3 while leaving high slot count, hardpoints, and other statistics the same.

This would do plenty to provide variety.

Triple Sensor boosted Hype has a targeting range of 245km. Pretty much like this Fleet Sniper not my loadout but pretty close.

On rapid Heavy Launchers:
Choice and diversity. Try seeing what the tank on a RLML Caracal is, pretty impressive and more dps than a Corax for around 5-7 mil more.

On the Tempest:
My minnie toon has poor missile skills so I personally do not use them. It should be on equal footing with the Maelstrom, and I could see them doing something more like what was done with the Rupture and pull a high. I was thinking that adding the turret would accomplish the same thing and bring the Tempest in line with the Maelstrom. The split weapon system is just not attractive. I don't want to carry that many different types of ammo. Trading an unbonused missile launcher slot for a bonused turret is a win.

On the Raven:

See Above post, and fitting that T2 torp raven is not easy, and because there is no diversity within launchers you cannot size down to an equivalent of dual 650's like you can on AC's to save on PG and CPU. I am not saying they need much of a boost overall, but they do need some.

well, tempest is not a split weapon system. it just has two utility highs, exactly as the hurricane has.
in fact, this utility is one of the main differences between tempest and maelstrom. i would be very sad if they take that away.
if you want raw weapon might take a maelstrom. if you want to be adaptable or fly a team setup, take the tempest (which can dish out respectable dps too, even if you do not use missiles).
i kind of like this diversity. making them the same would be a loss.

i fail to see your point there.
for me it's the potential loss of flavour between to battelship hulls, not wether people would still fly the tempest afterwards.
if you give it another turret and the same damage output with less guns then the maelstrom, while still having more utility, more than enough tank and being faster on top what would be the reason to fly a maelstrom at all?

you may be right about ccp reducing the amount of minmatar ships with double utility (neut and missile are sooo uncreative uses ^^) but i only see tempests with seven turrets at the price of loosing the ability to shield tanking effectively or loosing the double bonus on projectile turrets. doing otherwise would be just crazy ^^