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Market Basic Idea For the New Capsular

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Galman montorn
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-01-07 15:12:24 UTC
I bet if your new to the game this could be helpful to you and even if your a vet to the game u might find it interesting and might like to stick on a reply to the thread.Big smile

Market what does it mean?
Well if you knew you probably look at it and go holy **** is this what it looks like to take your paycheck add some steroids and give it a nice rub by your rich grandmother? Well in a way yes, the idea behind the market is to be as real world as possible you have your chain of resources from your old classic miner to your corp CEO who is flushing a bill a day and not caring. The market runs on supply and demand if there is a higher demand merchants can raise there price or lower it depending on what everyone wants.

Who You settle in and your Stability
The Groups

1. The worker(everyday worker)
This is you newbie miner or mission runner starting off in his next adventure in eve, is there nothing better than that, well ya kinda. At this point your worthless not even a pirate would ransom you, unless your on my kill list haha. Here at this point your going to be in your little frig mining away at a rock or doing lvl 1 missions, slowly going cargo full by cargo full. You will be trying to get as much money as possible for your next buy maybe a cruiser?

2. The merchant(your middle man, annoying sales man)
This is where the fun begins and where you really learn to make profit, and also one of my favorite parts about the economy. First off in this you need money to make it. A few things you will need is a few Blueprints, here you buy the material needed to make something, or even mine it, it can really help on the coast and higher profit off the final sell. once you have a ship made up ammo ect, you will want to find a good price to sell it for you might want to head to amarr and Jita to sell your good since there trade hubs and easy to sell things off. You want to find a median in your selling with the buyers so always make it a little less than what everyone else is selling it for making it literally fly off the shelf. making a nice little profit now to help out make sure your watching the price of that item keep in mind if price goes down less profit. Added variable is time it might take you alot of time to gain the material and to run the manufacturing. You can also do a mix of planetary infrastructural and that can lead to a nice monthly profit.
Example: lets say you made some heavy scourge missiles the bill of materials will be Tritanium= 738 units and Nocxium= 2 units. If you wanted to save i would go mine the Triranium so all you would pay is about 1,370.02 for the Nocxium. Each run has about 100 missiles so then just times the sell price by how much your selling one unit 69.99 would be my median sell price. You come out to about to 6,999 for one run so the subtract the amount it took on material -1,370.02. you just made a 5628.98 profit!

3. The Corp owner(You big wig CEO)
You lucky jerk somehow you screwed your self up to the top stepping on anyone in your way haha or u did it by hard work and having friends. If your already a stable CEO with income you should look into a pos maybe low sec would be best and even wormhole. Keep in mind they ether break or make you, your best bet is to run reactions or mine moons to cover the coast and make profit using this idea could flush out maybe a bill a month making you have a long lasting way of income with the right moon or reaction. If you can get to this point then you better be able to keep it up the POS cant fuel its self, aslo remember it takes a lot to get one set up a small pos alone can run u up to 150mil in crap to get it up and started so you need to have some savings.

I hope this helped anyone needing it.
Handy resources http://www.eve-markets.net/
If you need help or someone to work with you drop me a message or convert me
In game name: Galman montorn

“All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tzu

Rob Lorence
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-07 15:58:23 UTC
Quote:
2. The merchant(your middle man, annoying sales man)
This is where the fun begins and where you really learn to make profit, and also one of my favorite parts about the economy. First off in this you need money to make it. A few things you will need is a few Blueprints, here you buy the material needed to make something, or even mine it, it can really help on the coast and higher profit off the final sell. once you have a ship made up ammo ect, you will want to find a good price to sell it for you might want to head to amarr and Jita to sell your good since there trade hubs and easy to sell things off. You want to find a median in your selling with the buyers so always make it a little less than what everyone else is selling it for making it literally fly off the shelf. making a nice little profit now to help out make sure your watching the price of that item keep in mind if price goes down less profit. Added variable is time it might take you alot of time to gain the material and to run the manufacturing. You can also do a mix of planetary infrastructural and that can lead to a nice monthly profit.
Example: lets say you made some heavy scourge missiles the bill of materials will be Tritanium= 738 units and Nocxium= 2 units. If you wanted to save i would go mine the Triranium so all you would pay is about 1,370.02 for the Nocxium. Each run has about 100 missiles so then just times the sell price by how much your selling one unit 69.99 would be my median sell price. You come out to about to 6,999 for one run so the subtract the amount it took on material -1,370.02. you just made a 5628.98 profit!


Considering mined minerals as "free" is not a good tip.. you should add the sell value of the trit to your calculations to see how much (if any) profit you made.

Galman montorn
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-07 16:06:21 UTC
Rob Lorence wrote:
Quote:
2. The merchant(your middle man, annoying sales man)
This is where the fun begins and where you really learn to make profit, and also one of my favorite parts about the economy. First off in this you need money to make it. A few things you will need is a few Blueprints, here you buy the material needed to make something, or even mine it, it can really help on the coast and higher profit off the final sell. once you have a ship made up ammo ect, you will want to find a good price to sell it for you might want to head to amarr and Jita to sell your good since there trade hubs and easy to sell things off. You want to find a median in your selling with the buyers so always make it a little less than what everyone else is selling it for making it literally fly off the shelf. making a nice little profit now to help out make sure your watching the price of that item keep in mind if price goes down less profit. Added variable is time it might take you alot of time to gain the material and to run the manufacturing. You can also do a mix of planetary infrastructural and that can lead to a nice monthly profit.
Example: lets say you made some heavy scourge missiles the bill of materials will be Tritanium= 738 units and Nocxium= 2 units. If you wanted to save i would go mine the Triranium so all you would pay is about 1,370.02 for the Nocxium. Each run has about 100 missiles so then just times the sell price by how much your selling one unit 69.99 would be my median sell price. You come out to about to 6,999 for one run so the subtract the amount it took on material -1,370.02. you just made a 5628.98 profit!


Considering mined minerals as "free" is not a good tip.. you should add the sell value of the trit to your calculations to see how much (if any) profit you made.


It was just a small example to help understand and clarify what i mean in writing, but thanks for the idea and postingBig smile

“All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tzu

Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2013-01-07 23:12:06 UTC
To be honest, if your example is already wrong, there's little point in continuing. Not to mention the grammar and spelling. If you really want to write a guide, make it professional, and make it correct.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Galman montorn
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-01-10 15:57:10 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
To be honest, if your example is already wrong, there's little point in continuing. Not to mention the grammar and spelling. If you really want to write a guide, make it professional, and make it correct.
I got an idea maybe you could stop the harassment and get on with your life instead of posting on something you don't like why not ignore it. You clearly are a vet at the game why post on something that was meant for more of basic help also is called an EXAMPLE for a reason its simply that I'm not posing active market details, and its just a game if i wanted this to be more i would have put it on a resume for a job, all i wanted to do was post my view and give a little help to anyone that needed it, is it simply that hard for you to understand?

“All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tzu

Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-10 16:05:19 UTC
I'll be honest, i didn't read the whole thing. though i will go back and check it out Cool

Be aware that anything you post in the eve forums is liable to be torn to shreds and any chance someone gets to attempt to tar and feather you and make a mockery and/or embaress you and your inferior mind, they will.

also, take it all with a grain of salt.

now i will read your post
Galman montorn
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-10 16:14:08 UTC
Cooyaw wrote:
I'll be honest, i didn't read the whole thing. though i will go back and check it out Cool

Be aware that anything you post in the eve forums is liable to be torn to shreds and any chance someone gets to attempt to tar and feather you and make a mockery and/or embaress you and your inferior mind, they will.

also, take it all with a grain of salt.

now i will read your post
Yes i kinda figured that people just get enjoyment out of trying to make someone feel less than them it's sad and the funny part is i probably more intelligent then both of them haha, there simply trolling trying to find one mistake so they can raise the red flag to say hey your dumb, might also account for one of them only being in an NPC corp because no one likes him, that or he is just a pirate.

“All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tzu

Cooyaw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-01-10 16:16:20 UTC
Ok, i read it,

I guess this sort of opens up some possibilities for new players. But a proper production trading setup requires a bit more than you described, at least in my eyes. Using assembly lines from stations is just a waste of time and money and resources.

And as a new trader, i'd hardly advise production trading as a start. As far as running a pos for moon reactions..... NO WAY! you might as well have a production POS because no reaction you can get as a solo player without alliance backing will cover the cost of any decent pos setup. You need R32 or R64 goo, GL on that :P

All in all i think your post picks at the possibilities of what can be done, but not the practicalities of it. So A for effort, and maybe someone who reads it will look up Moon Reactions and get all excited like i did when i first embarked on that losing venture, honestly, having a nice moon with good reactions (when i say good, i mean minimum 2-3 billion per month in profit) is not going to happen to a noob.

I highly recommend new capsuleers learn to mission, and skill into a bc then a bs and learn to pay for plex from pve. they learn piloting skills, they learn combat mechanics, and they make pretty decent money, and every 16 missions they get something usually worth selling on the market, not to mention all the salvage and t1 crap that drops that; if interested in learning trade, they can experiment with.

not flaming you, just trying to provide some reality to subject matter. production trading is more than you describe, and moon reactions at the early stage of life in eve is plain ole "pie in the sky". Planetary Interaction though, is definitely on the mark. a noob fresh out the chamber can be producing pos fuels and the like within 2-3 weeks and making decent money for a beginner.

all the best o/ fly safe and all that.
Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2013-01-10 16:21:09 UTC
Galman montorn wrote:
Cooyaw wrote:
I'll be honest, i didn't read the whole thing. though i will go back and check it out Cool

Be aware that anything you post in the eve forums is liable to be torn to shreds and any chance someone gets to attempt to tar and feather you and make a mockery and/or embaress you and your inferior mind, they will.

also, take it all with a grain of salt.

now i will read your post
Yes i kinda figured that people just get enjoyment out of trying to make someone feel less than them it's sad and the funny part is i probably more intelligent then both of them haha, there simply trolling trying to find one mistake so they can raise the red flag to say hey your dumb, might also account for one of them only being in an NPC corp because no one likes him, that or he is just a pirate.


Is it really mocking or trying to embarrass someone to say that their spelling and grammar is not up to the standard of a "guide"? You might be more intelligent than both of us, but you don't come across that way in your posts. Also, which person is in the NPC corp?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Galman montorn
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-01-10 16:25:00 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Galman montorn wrote:
Cooyaw wrote:
I'll be honest, i didn't read the whole thing. though i will go back and check it out Cool

Be aware that anything you post in the eve forums is liable to be torn to shreds and any chance someone gets to attempt to tar and feather you and make a mockery and/or embaress you and your inferior mind, they will.

also, take it all with a grain of salt.

now i will read your post
Yes i kinda figured that people just get enjoyment out of trying to make someone feel less than them it's sad and the funny part is i probably more intelligent then both of them haha, there simply trolling trying to find one mistake so they can raise the red flag to say hey your dumb, might also account for one of them only being in an NPC corp because no one likes him, that or he is just a pirate.


Is it really mocking or trying to embarrass someone to say that their spelling and grammar is not up to the standard of a "guide"? You might be more intelligent than both of us, but you don't come across that way in your posts. Also, which person is in the NPC corp?

I dont get the point on why you would have to harsh on someone just because they try to help it doesn't make any since if i could i would take it down so your poor head is no longer distracted by anything like a simple spelling mistake or mis-leading title its called the forums simple as that not a job application built on a basic idea thats all.

“All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tzu