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Worm Hole Stabelizer

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tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-07 15:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: tleekett
Very well thought out idea about a new mod that would stabelize a wh between 2 systems.

1. Three different sized modules used for the different sizes of wh that require different amounts of fuel respectively.
a. 1-2 would be small
b. 3-4 would be medium
c. 5-6 would be large
2. What they would do.
a. Stabelize a a wh inbetween two wh systems for the time they are active and fuel is supplied.
3. Limitations
a. You would need a seperate mod for each side of the wh. Only same size mods can be used between wormholes(ie small-small medium-medium large-large)
b. Only one module can be activated in a wh at a time. (ie only 2 wh can be conected no chaining)
c. Can only be used in wh. (cannot be used to anchor a wh to high low or null sec space)
d. The limitations on the size of ships that can pass will be the same as the class wh. No supercap or titan capacity.
e. Time restrictions on setting up the two sides of the wh, 3 hours the same amount of time for taking down a gate in null sec. Same amount of time for unanchoring devices.
f. Mass limitation by day. Only a certain amount of mass can pass through per day. Same amount allowed by the original wh. Regenerates mass of wh original wh in a 24 hour period.
4. The good
a. Would increase profits for the alliance living in the wh and allow for larger forces to live in wh space.
b. voids time restrictions on wh.
5. The risks
a. There would be more risk from other players invading your wh systems.
b. If one module is destroyed the wh automatically collapses and seperates the systems
6. Skill training
Would fall under corporation management and be a terciary skill requiring anchoring level 4. Level one would allow use of the device with restricted mass and each level would increase the amount of mass per day. With level 5 being 100% use of normal mass of the wh per day. MEANS IT WOULD BE A 6X MULTIPLIER SKILL

Any suggestions or comments are welcomed
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#2 - 2013-01-07 15:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Its not a very well thought out idea. It has been brought up and shot down by the WH community on mass quite regularly.

Learn to use the search function before opening new threads.

I apologise for the blunt response, but it would be a waste of my time and yours to relive the previous argument about why this is a horrible idea.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-07 15:35:26 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Its not a very well thought out idea. It has been brought up and shot down but the WH community on mass quite regularly.

Learn to use the search function before opening new threads.


+1

Although this doesn't come up with the AFK cloaking whine, it is equally bad. WH's are friggin awesome as is. Part of what makes them the way they are is the randomness of the connections.

Quite frankly I'm saddened that a notable WH corp such as yours would even allow a member to post such an idea. You should know better.
Exterminatus Illexis
Unmarked Discrete Packaging.
#4 - 2013-01-07 15:36:30 UTC
I think it would be better for the connecter to give a status on how much mass could pass through it, and make the mass that could slowly recharge rather than making it possible for anything blow the restriction for the class to pass through endlessly. That makes logistics harder, and makes it so that you can't put 30 dreads through into a fresh C5 and milk it dry randomly. Effectively stopping 'nomad' WH'ing from going ridiculously fast with capital escalations being possible the moment you find a new system.

With love,

Your favorite idiot.

ttekeelt
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-07 15:38:28 UTC
This if anything would make wh space more risky for the corporation/alliance utilizing it. twice as many statics and chances for invasions. not to mention the risk of seperation.
ttekeelt
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-07 15:39:22 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Its not a very well thought out idea. It has been brought up and shot down by the WH community on mass quite regularly.

Learn to use the search function before opening new threads.

I apologise for the blunt response, but it would be a waste of my time and yours to relive the previous argument about why this is a horrible idea.


Please link thread.
tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-07 15:44:03 UTC
Exterminatus Illexis wrote:
I think it would be better for the connecter to give a status on how much mass could pass through it, and make the mass that could slowly recharge rather than making it possible for anything blow the restriction for the class to pass through endlessly. That makes logistics harder, and makes it so that you can't put 30 dreads through into a fresh C5 and milk it dry randomly. Effectively stopping 'nomad' WH'ing from going ridiculously fast with capital escalations being possible the moment you find a new system.



Thanks for that added limitations to prevent it or make it harder 6 hours of waiting and limit on mass will prevent this.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#8 - 2013-01-07 15:45:45 UTC
ttekeelt wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Its not a very well thought out idea. It has been brought up and shot down by the WH community on mass quite regularly.

Learn to use the search function before opening new threads.

I apologise for the blunt response, but it would be a waste of my time and yours to relive the previous argument about why this is a horrible idea.


Please link thread.


Two things.
-Obvious alt is really, really, painfully obvious.
-You opened the thread looking for input. I already read the other ones, you look it up.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-07 15:48:35 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
ttekeelt wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Its not a very well thought out idea. It has been brought up and shot down by the WH community on mass quite regularly.

Learn to use the search function before opening new threads.

I apologise for the blunt response, but it would be a waste of my time and yours to relive the previous argument about why this is a horrible idea.


Please link thread.


Two things.
-Obvious alt is really, really, painfully obvious.
-You opened the thread looking for input. I already read the other ones, you look it up.

\

If you have nothing constructive to say please stop posting.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-07 15:53:35 UTC
tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-01-07 16:04:07 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


They all brush on the idea but don't put in the limitations or details this thread does. If I went by that logic I could post that about any thread that has the word "the" in it. Nope that topic is already in a thread. It contains the word "the".
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#12 - 2013-01-07 16:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
tleekett wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
ttekeelt wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Its not a very well thought out idea. It has been brought up and shot down by the WH community on mass quite regularly.

Learn to use the search function before opening new threads.

I apologise for the blunt response, but it would be a waste of my time and yours to relive the previous argument about why this is a horrible idea.


Please link thread.


Two things.
-Obvious alt is really, really, painfully obvious.
-You opened the thread looking for input. I already read the other ones, you look it up.

\

If you have nothing constructive to say please stop posting.


This entire thread isn't constructive. If you want to be constructive, read the other established threads and post your arguments in there.

Here are three such threads.
- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=979060#post979060
- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1112787#post1112787
- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100730

Edit: Better one - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59035

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-07 16:10:59 UTC
The idea behind this is to expand just a tiny bit, but only at the expence of greater risk. With 2 wh chained together you will have twice the statics to watch. Not to mention the fuel to supply to each side of the wh for both devices, and the security in case a small group of bs's want to warp in destroy one side and warp out just to mess with you and get a free structure kill. Invasions would be easier and more likely with 2 wh tied together.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#14 - 2013-01-07 16:13:35 UTC
tleekett wrote:
The idea behind this is to expand just a tiny bit, but only at the expence of greater risk. With 2 wh chained together you will have twice the statics to watch. Not to mention the fuel to supply to each side of the wh for both devices, and the security in case a small group of bs's want to warp in destroy one side and warp out just to mess with you and get a free structure kill. Invasions would be easier and more likely with 2 wh tied together.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59035

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-07 16:16:47 UTC
tleekett wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


They all brush on the idea but don't put in the limitations or details this thread does. If I went by that logic I could post that about any thread that has the word "the" in it. Nope that topic is already in a thread. It contains the word "the".


Whatever. Arduemont's links below are far better than mine. But the responses are still valid. Even without details most WH dwellers understand the concept. And the concept is just plain bad, regardless of how specifically you would like to implement it.

IMO it would have a horribly negative effect on WH space.
tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-07 16:23:21 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
tleekett wrote:
The idea behind this is to expand just a tiny bit, but only at the expence of greater risk. With 2 wh chained together you will have twice the statics to watch. Not to mention the fuel to supply to each side of the wh for both devices, and the security in case a small group of bs's want to warp in destroy one side and warp out just to mess with you and get a free structure kill. Invasions would be easier and more likely with 2 wh tied together.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59035



Nice to see my old corp mate took my idea to the forum without telling me.
tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-01-07 16:33:30 UTC
Changed aspects in limitations to make it a more favorable idea.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-01-07 16:39:22 UTC
tleekett wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
tleekett wrote:
The idea behind this is to expand just a tiny bit, but only at the expence of greater risk. With 2 wh chained together you will have twice the statics to watch. Not to mention the fuel to supply to each side of the wh for both devices, and the security in case a small group of bs's want to warp in destroy one side and warp out just to mess with you and get a free structure kill. Invasions would be easier and more likely with 2 wh tied together.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59035



Nice to see my old corp mate took my idea to the forum without telling me.


If you are talking about the OP in that petition thread, he specifically was AGAINST WH stabilization.
tleekett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-01-07 16:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: tleekett
updated
Exterminatus Illexis
Unmarked Discrete Packaging.
#20 - 2013-01-07 16:54:41 UTC
Can we take this from a "People have said this before and got shot down" to a "Oh this is an interesting idea, here is why and why it will not work and why the ideas have been shot down previously" at least.

Preferably "Hey this is a cool idea, here's a few suggestions on how to make it better!"

With love,

Your favorite idiot.

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