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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#141 - 2013-01-10 16:17:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I honestly don't care about CCP making money.
…and that is why your idea is stillborn.

Trying to justify its necessity and denounce any objections to it by appeal to tinfoil doesn't improve things.

So if I find a way to get people to pay for the additional training on the same account it will justify it? BTW, referencing my opinion as "tinfoil" is insulting. I will not deny that it is lacking facts which makes it an opinion.

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This game has been around since 2003 right? How come I never heard of it until 2009?
You weren't paying attention.

And to make such claims. I even discovered Vendetta Online back in 2007 before I discovered EVE Online. I apologize for referencing a game other than EVE here.

Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button.

This... I will gladly pay for this.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Ogopogo Mu
O C C U P Y
#142 - 2013-01-10 16:24:23 UTC
SassyLassy wrote:
im trying to get all me charecters to have everything maxed lol. i wanna be that gal who can fly all 4 races of titan perfectly :)


This is a reasonable goal.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2013-01-10 16:32:49 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So if I find a way to get people to pay for the additional training on the same account it will justify it?
If you do that, we get to what we essentially already have. See the conversation above regarding the pros and cons of making it a convenience service.

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BTW, referencing my opinion as "tinfoil" is insulting. I will not deny that it is lacking facts which makes it an opinion.
No, that's what makes it tinfoil. You're making pretty harsh claims based on what seems like pure malice and paranoia. It is not an opinion because there is nothing subjective about what you're discussing, and you're presenting it as factual assertions.

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And to make such claims.
Don't ask people to make guesses about you if you don't want to hear the answers that might come up.

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This... I will gladly pay for this.
Sure. If you want to pay more to receive less, then that's fine too. The point remains: what you're asking for basically already exists and getting it for free is pretty much out of the question for a number of reasons.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#144 - 2013-01-10 17:07:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No, that's what makes it tinfoil. You're making pretty harsh claims based on what seems like pure malice and paranoia. It is not an opinion because there is nothing subjective about what you're discussing, and you're presenting it as factual assertions.
They are pretty harsh claims but they are not based on malice or paranoia. It's just a personal observation based on historical dev blogs, patch notes and other various documentation for changes to the game. CCP claims "400,000" active accounts but they won't release the statistics detailing what the number actually consists of such as alts, people that log in once a year, 6 months, 3 months, once a week, etc. It just throws up a red flag when a company boast such claims but don't release the actual data to back it up. I'm not asking for account information, just the percentages and the numbers. It was wrong of me to present my conspiracy theories in a factual manor without having the actual facts.

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Don't ask people to make guesses about you if you don't want to hear the answers that might come up.

I never asked for you to make guesses about me.

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Sure. If you want to pay more to receive less, then that's fine too. The point remains: what you're asking for basically already exists and getting it for free is pretty much out of the question for a number of reasons.

In the business world, it's all about the bottom dollar. Gotcha. That makes me wrong. I apologize for wasting your time.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#145 - 2013-01-10 17:35:44 UTC
Dosan Vendetta wrote:
Work for it.


You know you can train to be a titan pilot without ever undocking, right?

Effort doesnt come into it so far as the actual training goes.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#146 - 2013-01-11 04:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place.
Again, it's how everyone does it. So what?

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CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play.
…and you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose?


well FWIW...
I started here when you could only train one character at a time and at that time I was a new player.

I stayed

no one forced me to have the 7 accounts I currently have, so dude's supposition/assumption/data (IMHO) is utter fail.

I stayed

I stayed because I like the challenges of the game, I expanded for the same reason.
if i wanted to be babysat 24/7 in game I'd go play WoW or something...

idk, maybe not the "best" example, but there it is.


Oh and also, so did my Son and many of my friends for the same reason.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#147 - 2013-01-11 04:03:28 UTC
Celly Smunt wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place.
Again, it's how everyone does it. So what?

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CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play.
…and you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose?


well FWIW...
I started here when you could only train one character at a time and at that time I was a new player.

I stayed

no one forced me to have the 7 accounts I currently have, so dude's supposition (IMHO) is utter fail.

I stayed

I stayed because I like the challenges of the game, I expanded for the same reason.
if i wanted to be babysat 24/7 in game I'd go play WoW or something...

idk, maybe not the "best" example, but there it is.

Oh and also, so did my Son and many of my friends for the same reason.

o/
Celly


Celly! I came in just to see what you had to say about multiple training on one account...

not only did I stay, i started two more accounts soon after I started playing

such a good decision. well, I think.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#148 - 2013-01-11 04:08:00 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:




Celly! I came in just to see what you had to say about multiple training on one account...

not only did I stay, i started two more accounts soon after I started playing

such a good decision. well, I think.


o/ Rain... :)

Thank you

as long as a player is being challenged and/or is having fun doing something (no matter what it is) then the decision is likely a good one.
I don't regret it a bit and like you, sometimes I don't undock either.


o/
Celly


Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#149 - 2013-01-11 06:13:58 UTC
Celly Smunt wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place.
Again, it's how everyone does it. So what?

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CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play.
…and you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose?


well FWIW...
I started here when you could only train one character at a time and at that time I was a new player.

I stayed

no one forced me to have the 7 accounts I currently have, so dude's supposition/assumption/data (IMHO) is utter fail.

I stayed

I stayed because I like the challenges of the game, I expanded for the same reason.
if i wanted to be babysat 24/7 in game I'd go play WoW or something...

idk, maybe not the "best" example, but there it is.


Oh and also, so did my Son and many of my friends for the same reason.

o/
Celly

It's a good example. I followed a similar story when I first started and I stayed for the same reasons. I don't have 7 accounts but I do have 2 accounts now thanks to the power of 2. I just feel cheated and dirty for buying a 2nd account. It's kind of like eating a lot of fast food when you're on a diet. All the marketing is there in your face to buy the juicy burger but technically nobody twisted my arm to buy the burger even though I didn't need it. I caved in and bought it anyways despite my plans and my diet.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#150 - 2013-01-11 09:02:48 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:

technically nobody twisted my arm to buy the burger even though I didn't need it. I caved in and bought it anyways despite my plans and my diet.


Thanks...

So you're human :)

Nothing wrong with that as far as i know.

o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#151 - 2013-01-11 09:21:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?



it would be nice if the pub gave me 2 free refills every time I bought a pint of beer

Why hasn't this been added in yes, The Rose & Crown?


Edmonton? I would not have expected that. Passed by there a few times myself, but never went in. ofc, you might be referring to another Rose and Crown Pub.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#152 - 2013-01-11 09:44:32 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?



it would be nice if the pub gave me 2 free refills every time I bought a pint of beer

Why hasn't this been added in yes, The Rose & Crown?


Edmonton? I would not have expected that. Passed by there a few times myself, but never went in. ofc, you might be referring to another Rose and Crown Pub.


It's a pretty common pub name.

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Aaden Dante
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2013-01-11 11:03:00 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:

CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.)



Logical disconnect. PLEX is paid for with RL cash. That it is then bought and used up with ISK is irrelevant to those who are the sole suppliers of PLEX.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2013-01-11 11:13:57 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button.

You know, I'd love a button that says "pause skill training on this account."

It's a pain in the ass to go to train a skill, realize you're still training on another character on the same account, then having to log out, log in the other character just to pause the skill training, then log out and log back into the first character to start the training queue.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#155 - 2013-01-11 11:30:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button.

You know, I'd love a button that says "pause skill training on this account."

It's a pain in the ass to go to train a skill, realize you're still training on another character on the same account, then having to log out, log in the other character just to pause the skill training, then log out and log back into the first character to start the training queue.


It wouldn't be so bad if they had a Log out to character screen. But evidently that's too complicated for CCP to do after a ******* decade.

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#156 - 2013-01-11 12:47:44 UTC
Never happens becuse this give bad impact on character bazar and low incomes from this service, cheap tengu pilots everywhere.

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