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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#81 - 2013-01-09 22:53:45 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account.
…and what you get for your sub is the ability to train one (1) character. If you want to train two, it's rather reasonable that you pay 2× that.

That's not in writing. If it was, I would not have agreed to it.

Edit: Maybe we should first clarify the distinction between a character training and an account, no?


One account gets you 3 character slots and one character in training. You could have checked that functionality out while on your free trial period.

It also says so in writing in the official game guide's (EvElopedia) page on Skill Training.

If you didn't read that, and would like to discontinue your account on account of that, you're free to do so in the ways available to you via section 5C of the EULA.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#82 - 2013-01-09 22:58:06 UTC
The cure for what causes so many problems with this game is not multiple character training on one acct. It's to have only one character per acct.

Mr Epeen Cool
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#83 - 2013-01-09 23:32:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
One account gets you 3 character slots and one character in training. You could have checked that functionality out while on your free trial period.

When I pay for an account, I pay for one character to log into the game. NOT for one character to train. Just because it explains this on evelopedia does not mean it was in their ToS or EULA. Therefore it is a mechanic or feature as you want to call it. I also happen to disagree with it and there are others who disagree with it.

@Tippia,
I'm trying to wrap my head around this, you stated earlier that what is actually breaking the game in a sense is people running multiple accounts so they can have multiple characters logged in to do task that would normally take several players to do thus becoming anti-social. The purpose of it costing so much to run all of those accounts is to deter people from doing it.

If that is true, why are we having this conversation? Wouldn't there be a lot less people multiboxing accounts? As a matter of fact, I know 2 people just off the top of my head that multibox 5 accounts at a time. Regardless of price, there is still going to be people that do it. Hell, I even have a second account thanks to the power of 2. CCP actually encourages multiple accounts to be used.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-01-09 23:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Dosan Vendetta wrote:
No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it without spending extra money for it.


Fixed it for you.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#85 - 2013-01-09 23:55:06 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Dosan Vendetta wrote:
No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it without spending extra money for it.


Fixed it for you.

To them, working = spending extra money.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2013-01-09 23:57:49 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this, you stated earlier that what is actually breaking the game in a sense is people running multiple accounts so they can have multiple characters logged in to do many different task that would normally take several players to do thus becoming anti-social. The purpose of it costing so much to run all of those accounts is to deter people from doing it.

If that is true, why are we having this conversation?
It's not quite true – see edits for correction.
And because you're arguing for even more alts, making that situation even worse.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#87 - 2013-01-10 00:03:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this, you stated earlier that what is actually breaking the game in a sense is people running multiple accounts so they can have multiple characters logged in to do many different task that would normally take several players to do thus becoming anti-social. The purpose of it costing so much to run all of those accounts is to deter people from doing it.

If that is true, why are we having this conversation?
It's not quite true – see edits for correction.
And because you're arguing for even more alts, making that situation even worse.

Ah I see, you don't want people to have characters with different roles under the same person.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#88 - 2013-01-10 00:07:49 UTC
So the general consensus is that it is a bad idea and training multiple toons on one account at the same time should never be talked about again, or at least ANOTHER thread not started about it for at least a week.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#89 - 2013-01-10 00:23:12 UTC
really op? serious about dat ? you don't see why ccp didn't do it ? really .? Ugh


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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#90 - 2013-01-10 00:23:42 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
So the general consensus is that it is a bad idea and training multiple toons on one account at the same time should never be talked about again, or at least ANOTHER thread not started about it for at least a week.

But having multiple accounts, which is basically the same thing, is okay!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2013-01-10 00:31:13 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
So the general consensus is that it is a bad idea and training multiple toons on one account at the same time should never be talked about again, or at least ANOTHER thread not started about it for at least a week.

You're being awfully optimistic with that whole week thing…

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
But having multiple accounts, which is basically the same thing, is okay!
Multiple accounts are unavoidable and at least they're not diluting the character pool for free.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#92 - 2013-01-10 00:37:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
But having multiple accounts, which is basically the same thing, is okay!
Multiple accounts are unavoidable and at least they're not diluting the character pool for free.

Then what's the point of having the extra character slots? Oh I know, to have alter egos...

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2013-01-10 00:42:22 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Then what's the point of having the extra character slots? Oh I know, to have alter egos...
To build different characters… but you do it at the cost of the main character on that account, so you don't actually end up with more abilities than if you had just one character. You save a bit on clone costs in exchange for having to switch characters if you want to switch tasks.
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-01-10 00:48:56 UTC
How do you think CCP makes it money. You really dont think they get their cash flow from unicorns and trolls do you?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#95 - 2013-01-10 00:56:16 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login.


Why should CCP give you a discount?


Because that's $10 more per month than they are making now, because without the discount he's not buying anything extra at all.

$10 > $0
Plex and subs > 10. Blink

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#96 - 2013-01-10 01:00:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Then what's the point of having the extra character slots? Oh I know, to have alter egos...
To build different characters… but you do it at the cost of the main character on that account, so you don't actually end up with more abilities than if you had just one character. You save a bit on clone costs in exchange for having to switch characters if you want to switch tasks.

But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2013-01-10 01:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated.
No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever.

You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated.

What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds — training two characters and then having them both on the same account — it becomes even more expensive.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#98 - 2013-01-10 01:13:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated.
No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever.

You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated.

What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds — training two characters and then having them both on the same account — it becomes even more expensive.


So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. They even get to use them at the same time.

Just because it's the way it has always been does not mean it is the way it should be.

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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#99 - 2013-01-10 01:27:18 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated.
No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever.

You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated.

What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds — training two characters and then having them both on the same account — it becomes even more expensive.


So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. They even get to use them at the same time.

Just because it's the way it has always been does not mean it is the way it should be.

Well, yeah.

On the other hand I still don't see the logic behind plexing additional training slots on the same account being game breaking, it's like having multiple accounts only you can only log into one of them at a time.

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#100 - 2013-01-10 01:32:18 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated.
No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever.

You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated.

What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds — training two characters and then having them both on the same account — it becomes even more expensive.


So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. They even get to use them at the same time.

Just because it's the way it has always been does not mean it is the way it should be.

Well, yeah.

On the other hand I still don't see the logic behind plexing additional training slots on the same account being game breaking, it's like having multiple accounts only you can only log into one of them at a time.

Well that is pointless which is why I'm arguing to just let us train an additional character on the same account for free. Which is the way it should have been from the start.

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