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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#41 - 2013-01-09 17:55:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eurydia Vespasian
Mai Khumm wrote:
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?

If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)...


wouldn't that be a tragedy?

i have one character, one account. i'd like to have one toon that can focus on trading and industrial skills...and another that focuses on the combat aspect of the game. but...i'm not going to pay double to do so. when i first began the game i made an alt to focus on combat...then i realized i couldn't train skills at the same time. disgusted...she's remained unused ever since. two superfluous character slots. it really is the one thing about this game that i strongly dislike.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#42 - 2013-01-09 18:03:32 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
Looking back on the OP, if CCP sold "training slots" on the exact same basis that full accounts are sold it would be a fair deal.

It would result in fewer character transfers, but more people would probably spring for an extra training slot for a PLEX/month than currently go for an extra account, because the additional character they want to train is on an already active account with other character(s) they want to train.


But thinking about this from a business viewpoint, if someone will pay you $18 a month extra for a training slot surely they will just pay $18 a month for a second account and then transfer then character for $20 or $35. so I make an extra $20 :)

Not necessarily, and the character transfer is a decision gate that must be passed for the sale.

If you even lose half of the potential training slot sales to the decision of whether to move the character to a new account, training in place becomes a win at the third month.

To maximize sales you want to make it as easy as possible for people to spend their money with you (hence the massive amounts of attention paid to Amazon's "1-click sale" patent a few years ago.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#43 - 2013-01-09 18:04:03 UTC
The only difference I see with this and paying for a second account is CCP isn't making money with just training on the one account. Oh and the fact that you can only login with one character at a time anyways. Yes, that character would still be training skills but it wouldn't be making isk or assets. You can sit here an argue that the alt is being harvested to sell to someone else to make isk. Same can be said for the second account. Does it stop people from selling characters? No. Does it slow it down? No. Does it speed it up? No. Does it make it easier? Maybe. Does it decrease profit for CCP? Yes.

Think about it. Characters are sold now from second accounts or the accounts are sold. You still pay for the character transfers if you're selling a character off an account but you want to keep the other characters. So what's the difference? CCP is not getting the extra money from you having to cough up the extra cash/isk to pay for that second account. Skill points and training time has nothing to do with it despite popular belief.

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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#44 - 2013-01-09 18:13:46 UTC
You make good points, Kenneth, but how many people would spring for "1 month" of additional training on their account who wouldn't go for the current system?

It's not a capability issue, it's a convenience issue, and one that CCP could probably make a killing on "1 month" at a time.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2013-01-09 18:18:12 UTC
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?




This is very simple


You can sell your characters for in game ISK

If you allowed people to train multiple toons on 1 account, they would train all 3 and only log in to 1 and then sell the other two for a ton of ISK that they literally put ZERO work into, other than logging in and clicking like 2 buttons.

FC, what do?
Kathern Aurilen
#46 - 2013-01-09 19:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?

If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)...


Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head.

OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream?



CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right.

The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE.
How is CCP nerfing their income? A PLEX cost more than a the price of a month sub. They are already bought and paid for. Its not like ur zooming around and (dramatic music)"A wild PLEX appears" the u grab it and hold it above ur head Legend of Zelda style. Somebody payed for that plex for it to be in the game.

I think of the Plex is more of a profit "uncertainty".... There are months that the big time plex dealers buy them in bulk, then they're set for a while. And CCP still gets paid

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#47 - 2013-01-09 19:43:02 UTC
Kathern Aurilen wrote:
How is CCP nerfing their income? A PLEX cost more than a the price of a month sub. They are already bought and paid for. Its not like ur zooming around and (dramatic music)"A wild PLEX appears" the u grab it and hold it above ur head Legend of Zelda style. Somebody payed for that plex for it to be in the game.

First, you have to weaken it. Usually down to the low side of the yellow or red of the health bar. It also helps if you put on status effects. WARNING: Do not use poison or confusion as the PLEX may die.

Second, make sure you have plenty of ultra balls in your ball pouch. You definitely don't wanna run out of balls while trying to catch a PLEX. You could just use a Masterball* and not worry about any of this.

Third, you may hold the PLEX inside which ever ball you used over your head like the tri-force from Legend of Zelda. Although, it is highly recommended to not do this because Team Rocket** may use that opportunity to steal your precious PLEX.

* Masterballs are rare and should be used on super rare PLEXs.
** Allegory for anyone who shoots shuttles and other various ships just to collect PLEX.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#48 - 2013-01-09 19:44:35 UTC
As a direct reply to the OP,

- Because it's game breaking. Use your head.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#49 - 2013-01-09 19:57:48 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
As a direct reply to the OP,

- Because it's game breaking. Use your head.

It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2013-01-09 20:24:13 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?

If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)...


wouldn't that be a tragedy?

i have one character, one account. i'd like to have one toon that can focus on trading and industrial skills...and another that focuses on the combat aspect of the game. but...i'm not going to pay double to do so. when i first began the game i made an alt to focus on combat...then i realized i couldn't train skills at the same time. disgusted...she's remained unused ever since. two superfluous character slots. it really is the one thing about this game that i strongly dislike.


So you want something that no other MMO gives you (the ability to advance two characters at once) for Free? Because?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#51 - 2013-01-09 20:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
As a direct reply to the OP,

- Because it's game breaking. Use your head.

It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP.


No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters, on my two accounts, I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might as well just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed?

If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. You could just train the four races between three accounts. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#52 - 2013-01-09 20:34:25 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
SassyLassy wrote:
it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.

Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?

If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)...


wouldn't that be a tragedy?

i have one character, one account. i'd like to have one toon that can focus on trading and industrial skills...and another that focuses on the combat aspect of the game. but...i'm not going to pay double to do so. when i first began the game i made an alt to focus on combat...then i realized i couldn't train skills at the same time. disgusted...she's remained unused ever since. two superfluous character slots. it really is the one thing about this game that i strongly dislike.


So you want something that no other MMO gives you (the ability to advance two characters at once) for Free? Because?


even age of conan let you time train feats on multiple characters at once.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-01-09 20:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Dosan Vendetta wrote:
No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it.


Ho, I need that achievement with a nice color tittle !

I can already see it from here "Special Nerd", god, I even have a tear in the corner of the eye just by thinking about it.

... dear god, mother of good, all saints, please save those kids, they're not going to do it by them selves...


Lol

Is it really necessary to link in this "another bullcrap thread" all the uber dudes claiming SKILL POINTS MEANS NOTING IN EVE?
So, what is this achievement heck about?

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#54 - 2013-01-09 20:49:58 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
As a direct reply to the OP,

- Because it's game breaking. Use your head.

It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP.


No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters, on my two accounts, I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might as well just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed?

If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet.

So you would rather spend $60/month for 16 years of skill points than $30/month for the same amount of time and skill points? You sir are a better man than I to pay more for something when I can get the same thing cheaper else where.

It takes the same amount of time to train either way. So you mean to tell me that in 4 years across 4 accounts that you can't do everything there is to do and fly everything there is to fly?

What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. You don't want it to change because of all the money you've used to run all of your accounts would have been wasted. This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#55 - 2013-01-09 20:52:36 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you want something that no other MMO gives you (the ability to advance two characters at once) for Free? Because?


even age of conan let you time train feats on multiple characters at once.


So does EVE. But just like with Age of Conan, it's not part of the basic package.

EDIT: Actually it looks like AOC offline leveling puts levels into a pool so, just like in EVE, using them to train up two characters halves the advancement.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#56 - 2013-01-09 20:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
So you would rather spend $60/month for 16 years of skill points than $30/month for the same amount of time and skill points? You sir are a better man than I to pay more for something when I can get the same thing cheaper else where.

It takes the same amount of time to train either way. So you mean to tell me that in 4 years across 4 accounts that you can't do everything there is to do and fly everything there is to fly?

What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. You don't want it to change because of all the money you've used to run all of your accounts would have been wasted. This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.



What the **** are you talking about? This thread is about being able to train multiple characters on one account. I have two accounts. I am talking about training three characters on each account at the same time, as per the topic of this thread you nit wit. And I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't want to pay for it.

If your proposing we should be able to train a second character on the same account for the price of an extra monthly sub, then there is no point because you can't use the second character at the same time as the first. Why would you not just get a second account at the same price with the extra benefit of being able to use them both. That's just ********.

If I said, what I think of your intelligence in this sentence (which I almost did), it would have been removed.

Edit: Also, just to clarify, I am not some rich boy running hundreds of accounts. I have two, the second of which is paid for with plex I buy with the ISK I earn on the first account. I'm still subduing the urge to type out endless obscenities referring to your intelligence.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Natasha Stone
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-01-09 20:58:53 UTC
The only benefit I can see to this is that you wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee once you're done training your alt.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2013-01-09 21:03:25 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here.
No, the gamebreaking part is if everyone can do everything without relying on others. Forcing people to use multiple accounts provides real disincentives to trying to do it on your own. The advantage you're talking about is one of more people at once, not one of deeper pockets, and that advantage is entirely intentional. Yes, a single person could try to make use of it too, but again, cost becomes an issue as does co-ordination.

Quote:
This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.
Fortunately, money doesn't buy you success here — it just allows you to be a bit less social.
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#59 - 2013-01-09 21:13:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Arduemont wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
As a direct reply to the OP,

- Because it's game breaking. Use your head.

It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP.


No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters, on my two accounts, I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might as well just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed?

If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet.

So you would rather spend $60/month for 16 years of skill points than $30/month for the same amount of time and skill points? You sir are a better man than I to pay more for something when I can get the same thing cheaper else where.

It takes the same amount of time to train either way. So you mean to tell me that in 4 years across 4 accounts that you can't do everything there is to do and fly everything there is to fly?

What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. You don't want it to change because of all the money you've used to run all of your accounts would have been wasted. This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.



What the **** are you talking about? This thread is about being able to train multiple characters on one account. I have two accounts. I am talking about training three characters on each account at the same time, as per the topic of this thread you nit wit. And I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't want to pay for it.

If your proposing we should be able to train a second character on the same account for the price of an extra monthly sub, then there is no point because you can't use the second character at the same time as the first. Why would you not just getting a second account at the same price with the extra benefit of being able to use them both. That's just ********.

If I said, what I think of your intelligence in this sentence (which I almost did), it would have been removed.

Funny, I almost said the same thing about your intelligence. Let's take a step back and look at both of our arguments.

You're saying that it would break the game to have multiple characters on the same account that can train at the same time which is what the OP wants. So 6 characters across 2 accounts with 4 years of skill points equals 24 years of skill points.

Now, what I'm saying is take those 6 characters and put them across 6 accounts with 4 years of skill points still equals 24 years of skill points total. What's the difference? One pays $90/month and the other pays $30/month. This is going based on $15/month. I would much rather pay the $30 and get the same thing as the 6 account guy but at 1/3rd of the price. You can only log into 2 characters at a time as compared to the other guy who can do 6 at a time. This is already breaking the game.

Edit: Even if he is not paying for it directly and buying the plex, CCP is still getting the money.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#60 - 2013-01-09 21:29:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here.
No, the gamebreaking part is if everyone can do everything without relying on others. Forcing people to use multiple accounts provides real disincentives to trying to do it on your own. The advantage you're talking about is one of more people at once, not one of deeper pockets, and that advantage is entirely intentional. Yes, a single person could try to make use of it too, but again, cost becomes an issue as does co-ordination.

Quote:
This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.
Fortunately, money doesn't buy you success here — it just allows you to be a bit less social.

So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not?

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _