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Stabber Fleet Issue PvP Fit
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#21 - 2013-01-09 17:34:22 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.


Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.


Yes but are they 10 times better?

Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship...


Potential performance of ships has never, ever, for the entire history of eve scaled equally to cost. Making the point that things should be proportionally better based upon comparative cost is simply a worthless point and has never held weight, ever.



Yes it does.. When the benefit is only marginal..

The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.

There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.


Now ASB's got hit with the nerf bat I'd have to agree but for a time vaga's had significantly increased tanking potential over the cyn.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2013-01-09 18:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:

Now ASB's got hit with the nerf bat I'd have to agree but for a time vaga's had significantly increased tanking potential over the cyn.


.......... You mean the XL asb lolfit?

A skilled player could make it work... but it was still a lolfit..

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#23 - 2013-01-09 18:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.

There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.


Vaga has a much stronger ASB tank (which is more or less standard fit now) than the cyna. So there most certainly is a reason to fly vaga over cyna.

BTW, calling the xl asb vaga a lol fit has only shown your extreme ignorance. Please refrain from posting about things you obviously know nothing about, thank you.
mama guru
Yazatas.
#24 - 2013-01-12 11:17:48 UTC
Vagabonds and Cynabals still have their uses. T1 cruisers offer very cheap ships with good preformance in gangs, so expect alot of them and expect them in gangs.

A Vaga has better damage projection and T2 resists. A Cynabal has better DPS and mobility, a Neut and the ability to fit a decent buffer for a ship of its speed. Or if you go solo you can fit a Scram+Longpoint or Web+Longpoint.

Neither the vaga or the cyna have been doctrine ships, so that has not really changed. T1 cruisers offers that possibility because of their low cost to preformance ratio after the buffs.


Now that T1 cruisers are so good, the real problem lies in the fact that cynabals and vagabonds have rivals on the topic of speed in the T1 lineup which makes them more likely to get tackled if they are alone and run into a gang. Before these changes and before Tier 3 BC's these ships were safe because you did not have any real chance of getting pinned and killed if you knew what you were doing, since the most likely tackle were frigates who died really quickly.

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Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-01-12 12:14:44 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.

There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.


Vaga has a much stronger ASB tank (which is more or less standard fit now) than the cyna. So there most certainly is a reason to fly vaga over cyna.

BTW, calling the xl asb vaga a lol fit has only shown your extreme ignorance. Please refrain from posting about things you obviously know nothing about, thank you.


Ok, I'm reading it pretty much everywhere and I don't get it:
Where does the Vaga have the significantly better tank? The tank is pretty much equal with the additional midslot/rigslot the Cyna has (unless you include shield resist links).
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2013-01-12 13:14:59 UTC
Hmm, i thought you meant the ******** xlvagabrawlfits that became popular a few months back after some guy made a video using them.

Looked up the proper one (Seeing how i pretty much never run into vagas.. ever.. ) and yea its decent enough to warrant use.

Not really justifiable for the cost though

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