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Stabber Fleet Issue PvP Fit
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Pyrrhus Max
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-01-07 01:38:54 UTC
"Quit" eve for about 8 months, coming back to cruiser revamps etc. Always loved flying the Vaga, however it seems vaga is out of style now.

All the kids are flying Cynabals (which they were when i left) But i refuse to spent 350 mil on a cynabal... i also noticed a lot of people flying SFI's.

I did a little looking around, and noticed all the fits i could find for them were armor fits with 1600 plates on, maybe its being old school but that just seems silly.

Are there any good SHIELD fits for the SFI ? Or are they pretty much armor fit these days?
Reuqh Dew
Anasta.
#2 - 2013-01-07 03:26:44 UTC
If you have flown Vagabond, I'm sure you can pull together a shield SFI. 425mm's, 2 LSEs, few gyros and TEs here and there.
Reason for these "silly" armor fits is Fleet Stabber's low sig radius, 50% tracking bonus and high armor hp.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-07 04:33:37 UTC
The SFI is really good considering its price at the moment. I think they were at about 48 mil recently. A shield fitting is okay, but the vaga and cynabal do it better. The reason people do armor SFI's is because of the high base armor, slot layout and tiny sig radius, which makes it ideal for that role.

If you wanted to go for a cheap shield ship I'd actually suggest using a rupture, especially after the cruiser buff.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-07 05:24:15 UTC
Just fly the vaga.

The shield sfi doesn't get the range or damage that a vaga gets, but it does murder frigs. Bit slower, but more tank the way I fit it. It works much more like anti tackle than dps. The SFI is much cheaper, 80ish m fit up, and doesn't scare people as badly as a vaga.

[Stabber Fleet Issue, Baby vaga]

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x3


425's fit, if you down grade a LSE or use a 3%. I like the higher tracking on the 220's though, you lose some range and only a little dps. Barrage, PP are my main ammo types, if you use depleted uranium/ titanium sabot you get .324 trackingShocked.
Spheranzinne
Color of Violence
#5 - 2013-01-07 06:38:30 UTC
three base fits for sfi i know of
1. the brick, dualprop
2. the dual armor rep plus boosters
3. the shield, damage mods plus nanos

as said before, the tiny sig old fashion brick still does the job. the shield style, even with tracking in the lows, is still slow on damage projection.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2013-01-07 09:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
You can shield fit SFIs, I have tried it, but I found the DPS and projection both lacking, the Vaga, Cyna, Zealot and Deimos all do the kiting job better, hell so does a shield Harbinger. I prefer the brick tanked Dual 180 fit.

[Stabber Fleet Issue, Armour Plate]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Some people swear by the Dual Rep version, but I havent flown it, so cant comment.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-01-07 11:06:18 UTC
The reason the armor sfi is more common is because the armor sfi is the best at what it does and it utilizes the ships bonuses to the max.

The shield works but it isn't significantly better than other kiting ships.. like the Caracal.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

mama guru
Yazatas.
#8 - 2013-01-07 11:39:42 UTC  |  Edited by: mama guru
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
The reason the armor sfi is more common is because the armor sfi is the best at what it does and it utilizes the ships bonuses to the max.

The shield works but it isn't significantly better than other kiting ships.. like the Caracal.


Shield SFI works but only really against frigs and destroyers, it lacks the damage projection to effectively fight off bigger targets without putting itself at risk.

If you're a half decent kiter who can use the Dscan and wont do something stupid like a 50 AU warp to a gate in a system packed with reds you should just man up and shell out for a cynabal or a vaga if youre feeling poor.

EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#9 - 2013-01-07 13:38:11 UTC
Alternately, you can go for a dual Medium Armor Repairer with a cap booster. No plate, just load resistance mods and armor rep rigs. Dual 180's of course.

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hiporiko
Hyena Capital Management
#10 - 2013-01-08 18:12:12 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Alternately, you can go for a dual Medium Armor Repairer with a cap booster. No plate, just load resistance mods and armor rep rigs. Dual 180's of course.

Or replace the armor rigs with acr's and fit a 100mn. Don't forget the Legion booster.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#11 - 2013-01-09 13:42:04 UTC
hiporiko wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Alternately, you can go for a dual Medium Armor Repairer with a cap booster. No plate, just load resistance mods and armor rep rigs. Dual 180's of course.

Or replace the armor rigs with acr's and fit a 100mn. Don't forget the Legion booster.



Because getting less tank and being unable to hold the tight orbit that allows the SFI to tank and actually apply damage is a fantastic idea guys.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#12 - 2013-01-09 14:20:49 UTC
hiporiko wrote:

Or replace the armor rigs with acr's and fit a 100mn. Don't forget the Legion booster.


No, just no
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#13 - 2013-01-09 16:04:09 UTC
Shield SFI is ****, its really just an armor boat.

Try the new caracal, its fast as **** and does the shield kiting thing a lot better then the SFI could ever hope to. Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.

nom nom
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#14 - 2013-01-09 16:09:07 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.


Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#15 - 2013-01-09 16:17:33 UTC
Well you would be completely wrong then. But don't feel bad, most people are.

Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.


Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.

nom nom
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-01-09 16:37:06 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.


Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.


Yes but are they 10 times better?

Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship...

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#17 - 2013-01-09 16:43:10 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Well you would be completely wrong then. But don't feel bad, most people are.


How is stating that the vaga and cyna are miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs completely wrong? Go ahead, try and prove me wrong. After a modest amount of research you will see that your original statement is simply based on cry baby forum warriors posting "the sky is falling" style thread related to vaga and cyna. The reality is that the relative gap between t1 cruisers, dessies, t1 frigs and the vaga/cyna is smaller now than it was before however a large gap in performance most certainly does exist.

In short, stop basing conclusions on bad pubbies bad opinions of things they know nothing about. VAGA/CYNA are significantly better than relevant t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs. Coming to any other conclusions is simply an admittance of ignorance meaning that this post is probably lost on you.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#18 - 2013-01-09 16:48:47 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.


Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.


Yes but are they 10 times better?

Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship...


Potential performance of ships has never, ever, for the entire history of eve scaled equally to cost. Making the point that things should be proportionally better based upon comparative cost is simply a worthless point and has never held weight, ever.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#19 - 2013-01-09 17:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Christine Peeveepeeski
Er, why shield tank an SFI when a bog standard stabber is superior for that role?

The only benefit the shield sfi gets is drones.

[Stabber, Attacus]

Signal Amplifier II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Arguably this fit above, with the neuts gives you significantly higher flexibility than an SFI even with the SFI's drone advantage if your game is to **** with frigates.

Your range and speed enables the chance of kiting much heavier hitting cruisers especially under OGB with barrage loaded. Even when not under OGB it still rocks.

The signal amp means a big **** YOU to anything with dual unbonussed damps (i'm looking at you Mr Hookbill....) but you can change that slot to whatever you prefer at the time (i fight a lot of damping ships in FW but I imagine elsewhere the second TE to be gold dust).
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-01-09 17:26:17 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Cynabal and Vaga are fairly irrelevant now due to price and frigs/dessies/T1 cruisers all getting buffed.


Just because everyone is saying this does not make it true. Vaga and cyna are still miles above t1 cruisers, dessies, and t1 frigs.


Yes but are they 10 times better?

Because thats the price difference.. Add to that that half the time you die in eve it wouldn't save you to have a slightly more powerful ship...


Potential performance of ships has never, ever, for the entire history of eve scaled equally to cost. Making the point that things should be proportionally better based upon comparative cost is simply a worthless point and has never held weight, ever.



Yes it does.. When the benefit is only marginal..

The cynabal is better off, because it has the frig agility thing going for it.

There is virtually no reason what so ever to pick a vaga over a caracal however.. Especially since the caracal can do hamkite + smexy ewar.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

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