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high-sec is too safe?
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Dave Stark
#81 - 2013-01-09 19:47:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i am not reading all of that, i simply can't be bothered, and i know most of it won't be relevant because it'll be about new york or something.


That's fine, we both know what the truth is, only one of us cannot admit it. Since that was too long, lets make it short: please present evidence of your contention that null sec is safer than High.

just to irritate you, because i know you'll want to spend your precious time tearing apart my answer, i'll take "because i've lost more mining ships in high sec than i have in null sec" for 10 points please, jim.


So you base your opinion on anecdotal evidence (and anyone who studies logic will tell you that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence).

For whatever reason you've chosen to hold an incorrect opinion (and I don't believe for a second it's what you just posted), well, that's your right I guess, but it would be better for you (thus better for all of us) if you (and other obvious high sec partisans) would learn to us an actual evidence based form of reasoning. Lots of bad reasoning gets passed off as fact on these forums and we could actually have real discussions if that were to change.

Ciao.


i didn't base anything on anything, i threw out a random statement for the sake of having content when i hit "post".

real discussions, said the guy that started talking about boston or something a few pages back? ok, right, now i think i'm being trolled.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#82 - 2013-01-09 19:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
I'm going to go on a limb, and say the idea of "safe" is relative. Each sec has different threats and dangers.

Highsec, you're expected to "play nice", local is full of neuts and worthless as intel. CONCORD punishes, but doesn't protect, so it's enough to scare off a casual gank

Null has organized intel channels, blue lists, hotdrop o'clock. Local is a great intel tool (local spike safe up!).

Both high and null have different threats, and different ways to adapt.


Different doens't mean equal. By every real concrete measure (such as numbers of ships killed by players and even value of ships killed, can't remember the last time a Titan was killed in high sec lol), High Sec is safer in total terms and per capita than every single other part of EVE space.

So safe that high sec incursion communities filled with people flying 5bil+ subcapital ships exist. No such organized community exists outside of high sec.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#83 - 2013-01-09 19:53:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dave stark wrote:

i didn't base anything on anything, i threw out a random statement for the sake of having content when i hit "post".


So you just admitted that the contention you just spent multiple posts defending was "a random statement" (aka BS)?

That's just brilliant. If you don't believe what you post, why post it?

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real discussions, said the guy that started talking about boston or something a few pages back? ok, right, now i think i'm being trolled.


Los Angeles. And YOU'RE the one getting trolled despite the fact that you're the one who threw out a BS statement then tried to defend it multiple times rather than just saying "ok, J/K" or something?

You must be smokin that good ****, EVE mail me some of that so I too can puff puff but not pass......
Dave Stark
#84 - 2013-01-09 20:02:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

i didn't base anything on anything, i threw out a random statement for the sake of having content when i hit "post".


So you just admitted that the contention you just spent multiple posts defending was "a random statement" (aka BS)?

That's just brilliant. If you don't believe what you post, why post it?

Quote:

real discussions, said the guy that started talking about boston or something a few pages back? ok, right, now i think i'm being trolled.


Los Angeles. And YOU'RE the one getting trolled despite the fact that you're the one who threw out a BS statement then tried to defend it multiple times rather than just saying "ok, J/K" or something?

You must be smokin that good ****, EVE mail me some of that so I too can puff puff but not pass......


no, it wasn't all of my posts, just that one particular post. only because it was you.

on a serious note though; both high sec and null sec are safe however they are safe in different ways therefore any metric you use will always say one is safer than the other depending upon what metric you use (no, old data from ccp diagoras doesn't count). then, as i said earlier, both are sufficiently safe that this entire argument of which area is safer is completely redundant.

if we want to strip everything away, there's absolutely nothing to stop any one shooting you at any given time anywhere in the game and nowhere is safe at all. as far as game mechanics go anywhere you name will be exactly as safe as anywhere i name.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2013-01-09 20:07:47 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Yea. I guess high-sec is too safe. Not only for carebears but for anyone Cool


As far as i know this works in all new eden not just in hisec. Idea
I know that catching yelow/red pilots outside undock area is sometimes difficult (they know how to fly), but that doesnt mean that you should pours out rage on hisec.

1. this wasn't rage (well... maybe rage but a little). that was agreement with all of people saying that high-sec is too safe
2. i don't care about other areas. Eve is the sandbox after all. You've chosen wrong corner - have fun with it =)


If you 'dont care about other areas' stop crying about how lame your stupid carebear system and playstyle are.

my 6-yo daughter has the same level of logic Lol



My 6 yr old daughter can make some pretty badass worlds in little big planet and can use a ps3 better than I can now.

Don't short the toddlers!

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Hedion's oracle
Naari LLC
#86 - 2013-01-09 20:13:18 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Stop crying about unfair unconsensual PVP in Dodixie and go somewhere else where you may need to make a bit more effort... or make more effort where you are already.

There are plenty of lame ways to make station games work in your favour but I refuse to assist people participating in such cowardly and dull activity.

This^ and http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/kylerscrow/0EnWX.jpg

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-01-09 23:19:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


So safe that high sec incursion communities filled with people flying 5bil+ subcapital ships exist. No such organized community exists outside of high sec.


You get to see some nice killmails from highsec though...