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Is EVE well behaved in Linux?
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Pater Deus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-08 18:09:04 UTC
I´ve been a Windows user since ever and am about to get a new computer. I´d like to use Linux for a change and out of curiosity as Linux has been so praised by many known friends regarding memory usage among other things.

So, well, I have a few questions for EVE Linux pilots before I get my new hardware if you´d please be so kind to convey your experience.


Is EVE well behaved in Linux?

What is the minimum and optimal -but not necessarily heaviest- hardware (CPU & Memory) configuration?

Which Nvidia graphics chipset works well, good and great in Linux?

Which non-Nvidia graphics chipset works well, good and great in Linux?

Thank you all.
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2011-10-08 21:10:12 UTC
Pater Deus wrote:
Is EVE well behaved in Linux?

Mostly yes. YMMV, of course - as you can see in the other threads, THERE are issues popping out from time to time, and in the past "harmless" patches have been known to disrupt some aspects of Linux compatibility. Every new version of WINE (the main library to run Windows software with), graphics drivers and client releases is a cliffhanger for many of us Linux users.

Still, so far, the overall behavior of EVE on Linux has been satisfactory for me. I'm playing since Trinity.
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What is the minimum and optimal -but not necessarily heaviest- hardware (CPU & Memory) configuration?

The same as of Windows, really. I'd suggest to pick a FAST processor, where every core has a high speed rating, over a MULTICORE one. EVE is strictly mono-threaded, and on Linux is not any different. You'd use your money more wisely if you get a Dual Core at 3+GHz per core, rather than a Quad Core at 2GHz per core. You'd use only one core anyway, and the game is pretty CPU intensive. Even more so if it has to translate graphic calls from DirectX to OpenGL.
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Which Nvidia graphics chipset works well, good and great in Linux?

Any. The nvidia native drivers support all of the modern chipsets, SLI included. Pick your price range, and you'll get what you pay for.
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Which non-Nvidia graphics chipset works well, good and great in Linux?

I use nvidia exclusively. Can't help here. I'm sure many other veteran linux forum dwellers can supply you with useful info about ATI and Intel. Beware the requirement of Shader Model 3.0+, however.
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Thank you all.

Anytime.

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Diapara
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-08 23:47:57 UTC
YMMV, but use the proprietary nVidia driver over the open source (and still in active development) Nouveau driver. If you're using Ubuntu, shouldn't be a problem to automagically install the proprietary driver. However, in Fedora, you need to remove Nouveau and install the proprietary driver yourself. Directions here.

Another tip is to check out the Wine application database for tips and tricks. Link.
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-13 10:41:08 UTC
What is YMMV?
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2011-10-13 12:09:24 UTC
YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/your_mileage_may_vary

It means that, depending on a number of various factors, the results you can obtain from the same premises are subject to change - even wildly.

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Papa Yoru
Orange Street
#6 - 2011-10-13 16:01:43 UTC
The only issues i have had recently are low fps since incarna (my hardwares pretty old for a gaming rig though; phenom 9500 cpu + 9600gt graphics) which is playable for pve, but I wouldnt like to try to fleet fight with it.

Otherwise the IGB issues - the https issue which has a patch to fix in another thread here, and the speed of the IGB. I find rendering very slow although I may just need to install some other .dlls to fix this. On my machine scrolling down a page can cause 1-3 secs delay for the scroll to happen :(
mnkybrdr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-19 18:34:45 UTC
I've ran Eve under wine on Gentoo, Ubuntu and now Fedora.

As long as the wine version is new enough and you use the real nvidia drivers its great.

I did have a problem with the jukebox a while ago, but I never open it any more.
Marsan
#8 - 2011-10-21 14:58:12 UTC
As long as you read the howtos it's fine. Just realize that there is the risk every major patch that you may not be able to login for a day or 2. (maybe once or twice a year) ATI cards don't perform as well as NVIDIA cards. The only reason to use ATI is if you fee; you must have open source graphics drivers. Incarna was pretty rough on my system and I needed a video card upgrade to able to run 2 clients. I'd advise 6G of memory if you want to run 2 clients and browser with a bunch of tabs.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
LukeBlueScorpion
Delta Academy
#9 - 2011-10-21 18:45:17 UTC
I don't understand why linux user can use the windows version by Wine and there is not a system to using in a simpler way the MAC version since OSX is developed under UNIX core like Linux...
Aamrr
#10 - 2011-10-21 20:15:45 UTC
The Mac version isn't native. It's a bloated piece of translation software (similar to wine, called Cider) packaged around the windows client. Using Wine works better than what the Mac users get.

Be glad you've got what you do.
White Jester
S Is Here
#11 - 2011-10-21 22:52:04 UTC
Aamrr wrote:
The Mac version isn't native. It's a bloated piece of translation software (similar to wine, called Cider) packaged around the windows client. Using Wine works better than what the Mac users get.

Be glad you've got what you do.


Afaik Cider is from Cedega devs so it should work better then wine, no?
I mean cedega is a wine fork with transgaming patches focused on improved gaming experience, right?
Miraqu
Kneipenterroristen.
#12 - 2011-10-22 08:14:55 UTC
White Jester wrote:

I mean cedega is a wine fork with transgaming patches focused on improved gaming experience, right?



No they forked the original MIT-Version of wine 0.3.8 which was not under the gpl then and released it under a commercial license.

Caused hell of a flame war.


They first called it Wine-X then Cedega. They have nothing to do with Crossover and should not profit from wine development, because they would be required to open the code.
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2011-10-22 12:41:55 UTC
Miraqu wrote:
Caused hell of a flame war.

...And shot themselves in the foot.

Because now they cannot integrate in Cedega/Cider the many, many, many patches that flourish around the WINE project itself. WINE is released every other week; 1.3.31 has been released yesterday: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.31 . And the changelog is always staggering. By forking a prehistoric version, Transgaming cut themselves off all this wonderful community effort.

Mac users could voluntarily do what linux users were forced to do: ditch the CCP/Cider-wrapped client, and use Bootcamp or WINE itself ( http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX ) to try and run the native Windows client. And post in the Mac forum your results, so others like you can enjoy a full game experience.

Yes, yes, I know it defeats the very purpose of a native client. And skews the stats about platform usage. But why on earth any user should settle for an inferior choice/product/technology/solution, when a better one is in apt-get (or yum, or emerge, or tar zxvf, or what-have-you) reach?

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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#14 - 2011-10-23 10:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
Miraqu wrote:
White Jester wrote:

I mean cedega is a wine fork with transgaming patches focused on improved gaming experience, right?



No they forked the original MIT-Version of wine 0.3.8 which was not under the gpl then and released it under a commercial license.

Caused hell of a flame war.


They first called it Wine-X then Cedega. They have nothing to do with Crossover and should not profit from wine development, because they would be required to open the code.



Cedega is dead. Transgaming have shut it down and if anyone wants the client you now have to go to some site called "gametree" if I recall correctly.

As to whether EVE is well behaved under Linux my answer is it depends. I have an older version of Mandriva on my main machine (64 bit, 4Gb ram etc. and it runs but only so-so. On an alternative box, with slightly lower specs but a much better video card, performance is OK. Both with Nvidia cards, ATI seem to have a bit of a problem with drivers for Linux. One problem I do have is random disconnections from the server, no idea why but might be the router, although that is new, might be my ISP, though they deny any knowledge.

If the OP is thinking about just having a Linux box purely for EVE, I should say think twice. If, however you really want to move to Linux think about a dual-booter. Some of the things needed to get EVE running nicely on Linux do need a bit of experience with the OS. Though of course if you stick with it you will learn a lot on how an OS really works and you will be the master of your machine instead of just a "user".

Just my thoughts.
Cyberbitch
The Cruciform
Keep Calm and Parley
#15 - 2011-10-23 18:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyberbitch
i'm running two instances of eve on my i5+nvidia 470 and even though it is noticeably slower than on windows, it works almost perfect and is very playable with fsaa disabled @ 1920x1200. if you planning on only playing eve you can easily ditch windows. i dual boot, but never for eve.

as for the choice of gfx cards. ALWAYS nvidia. forget about the open source drivers if you plan to play games for the next few years. ati's drivers for linux are abysmal and almost as bad for windows. nvidia has very good linux graphics performance with their closed source drivers. i've rarely had troubles with those drivers on any of my linux boxes.
White Jester
S Is Here
#16 - 2011-10-25 16:34:46 UTC
2Miraqu
ty never knew. so it's a prehistoric wine fork, will know =)

As for an original OP question, my client behave well enough. At least i always get my 40fps in space which is okish on my crappy pc.
AMD Athlon x2 4000+, 4Gb ram and Nvidia GeForce 8600GT as a videocard.
Ravow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-26 05:35:23 UTC
Is EVE well behaved in Linux? Yes : as other explained, we get small issue sometime, usually resolved fast or workarounded.

What is the minimum and optimal -but not necessarily heaviest- hardware (CPU & Memory) configuration? The most MHZ as possible par cores like other said. I personally have a AMD 6 core, BUT each core are overclocked to 4.2Ghz. 4GB of RAM is sufficient but if you want a EVE ramdisk for faster load, I recommend 12 to 16GB.

Which Nvidia graphics chipset works well, good and great in Linux? Yeah, but you neeed binary blob. You are restricted to supported Kernel and Xorg version.

Which non-Nvidia graphics chipset works well, good and great in Linux?
-AMD is good with opensource drivers, very good framerate (50 to 100)... for open drivers, no limitation at all for kernel or xorg version and community supported as... Opensource.*
-Intel is very slow but still work, you need opensource drivers too.*

* You may need to violate S3TC patent to play EVE correctly when using open source drivers. It just depend of your country.
Hepius
Un4seen Development
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2011-11-28 15:48:39 UTC
I am playing EVE using the Mac client. To have a better experience should I

1) use WINE
2) Bootcamp Linux

Thanks!
Ravow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-29 05:59:44 UTC
You should try 1.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#20 - 2011-11-30 23:09:06 UTC
EVE is 'okay' in Debian Squeeze, but rather than using Wine (which was honestly just too hard to work with), I used Crossover Games. You're going to have trouble with videocard drivers; EVE won't load in Debian w/o the Linux-based generic driver and a lot of fiddling in the Root Terminal.

Also, I wasn't able to get EVE working past the login screen -- when I tried to load Astrid, the client hung so badly that I had to power the system down.

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