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How EVE Became Obsolete (And why CCP hasn’t noticed)

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Lexmana
#101 - 2013-01-06 10:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Ittos wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Traditional desktop PCs are being replaced by laptops. And that trend will continue also in gaming. This probably means that more and more people will play on smaller (≈15") screens but apart from that I don't think we will see much difference in gaming on the PC in the foreseeable future. Laptops are already quite capable gaming platforms (if you don't buy the cheapest ones) and I am very happy with my MBP.

The laptop is not going anywhere soon. It is too flexible and too good at what it does for that to happen. And the need for a proper computer in our homes will not decrease when more people work more time from their homes over the internet. In addition, the laptop will most likely adapt and transform into a hybrid device with keyboard, touchpad, mouse AND touchscreen input. Pure touch screen tablets will dominate mobility but laptops will continue to be the main personal computer in most peoples homes - in particular people that work with computer and/or like to play games.

The classical gaming rig will also still be there of course, but less people will find the need to have one as laptops becomes more and more powerful.


They might get more powerful but the software will also get more demanding

I'll never use a laptop for gaming. The touchpad mouse is horrible for it plus I don't like being concerned about battery life. The easy solutions for that are to plug it in and attatch a mouse but how is that better than a desktop? The fact is that as tech advances and you can do more with smaller, you can still do more with larger.

I can sit (well sometimes it is more lay) in my sofa with the laptop in my lap (yup) relaxing and posting on the forums. I also play EVE like that most of the time but I put the laptop down on the table when something is a bout to happen. I have power cord connected at all times and a wireless mouse. The mouse have a slight lag but I am used to it and I don't play "twitch" games - if I would I would use a wired mouse.

Yeah, sure, you can do better with larger but very soon it is good enough with smaller. For me it already is.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#102 - 2013-01-06 10:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.


of course
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2013-01-06 10:11:38 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
What you're ignoring is that , tablets and touch interfaced based games are mostly softcore games which only satisfies your sudden game urges but provide comparatively little in terms of deapth and complexity which is why most of the people comes to EvE the first place .

CCP has targeted such a niche market and it would be quite pointless to switch to a different architecture just because the majority of the gaming industry is when their prime customers shows no sign of such a transition.

However.... the demographic change is something they might want to look into.
The current EvE player age is 27.
In a few years as they get married, gets promoted , or generally grows out of video games (people tends to grow out of stuff ,duh), we'll be forced to looking at the 27 years old of 2018 .
Now I'm not trying to be discriminating of the younger generation , but from where I stand, I don't think they'll be interested in EvE.

The change will be slow and gradual , but it'll come.
SO don't be surprised when on the EvE Con at 2016 or something , EvE turns into WoW

hey ehy hey, im a 27 eyar old of 2018 and i can tell you, its our little brothers and sisters that are the worry not us. those little buggers are brick-wall dumb, full of self-entitlement, expect everything to be easy, and refuse to do anything that poses a challenge to them no matter what reward you offer. (and i know this from helping out with my old high schools engineering program and going to roughly 300 middle/elementary schools across the US and about 30 in canada, totally about 100,000 kids ive had to deal with, not fun)
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-01-06 10:12:11 UTC
This thread is what happens when you expect logical reasoning from a member of IRC.

Keep padding oldma's wallet little sheep.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2013-01-06 10:18:30 UTC
Moonaura wrote:


PC's. The futures so bright I need shades.



I'm going to sue that the next time i go to school and have to pass these idiots who make fun of me for playing computer games because PS3/Xbox is so "amazingly better", even though they cant update there hardware more than once every 7 years
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#106 - 2013-01-06 10:42:14 UTC
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#107 - 2013-01-06 10:44:12 UTC
i still can't figure out why anyone would buy a tablet

"hey heres a massive cell phone that doesn't make calls or fit in your pocket, enjoy."
Ittos
Beards Confirmed
#108 - 2013-01-06 10:44:30 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Ittos wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Traditional desktop PCs are being replaced by laptops. And that trend will continue also in gaming. This probably means that more and more people will play on smaller (≈15") screens but apart from that I don't think we will see much difference in gaming on the PC in the foreseeable future. Laptops are already quite capable gaming platforms (if you don't buy the cheapest ones) and I am very happy with my MBP.

The laptop is not going anywhere soon. It is too flexible and too good at what it does for that to happen. And the need for a proper computer in our homes will not decrease when more people work more time from their homes over the internet. In addition, the laptop will most likely adapt and transform into a hybrid device with keyboard, touchpad, mouse AND touchscreen input. Pure touch screen tablets will dominate mobility but laptops will continue to be the main personal computer in most peoples homes - in particular people that work with computer and/or like to play games.

The classical gaming rig will also still be there of course, but less people will find the need to have one as laptops becomes more and more powerful.


They might get more powerful but the software will also get more demanding

I'll never use a laptop for gaming. The touchpad mouse is horrible for it plus I don't like being concerned about battery life. The easy solutions for that are to plug it in and attatch a mouse but how is that better than a desktop? The fact is that as tech advances and you can do more with smaller, you can still do more with larger.

I can sit (well sometimes it is more lay) in my sofa with the laptop in my lap (yup) relaxing and posting on the forums. I also play EVE like that most of the time but I put the laptop down on the table when something is a bout to happen. I have power cord connected at all times and a wireless mouse. The mouse have a slight lag but I am used to it and I don't play "twitch" games - if I would I would use a wired mouse.

Yeah, sure, you can do better with larger but very soon it is good enough with smaller. For me it already is.


I sit in a recliner when I play. Just like laptops dont always have to be on your lap, desktops dont always have to be at your desk
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#109 - 2013-01-06 10:54:04 UTC
haha my lenovo netbook is also a tablet with touchscreen - but playing games with it sucks monkey balls Ugh

mouse+keyboard is just better and after whole my life using them im not gonna settle for some bogus touchy thing

/shaking fist
Sab Sab Five
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2013-01-06 10:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Sab Sab Five
This is an interesting topic. Trying to foresee the future of computers is murky at best, but atm tablets and phones just dont have the computational power to run heavy

and no keyboard mouse, well it's just less control. Maybe you can use yours with alacrity, but i type 75 wpm, and i can't come near that texting, even with swipe.

furthermore, the mouse has a few buttons, even standard, and that means rolling my cursor will always be better (with features attached to the buttons) than tapping stuff on a pad.

I see where windows 8 is going. Frankly i don't much care for the "charm bar" and lots of the other stuff, it reminds me of phones and pads, it kinda makes things slower, for me.

I worry that will trend for more than a few years, but honestly i don't see it going too crazy. Traditional computers will be used for a long time yet to come. Eve is just too vast to be played on a phone....

now mining at work, semi afk on a phone, that could be implementable.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-01-06 10:58:42 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1



OMG,if you turn that thing on,you are blind in a second!!!Shocked

R.S.I2014

Lexmana
#112 - 2013-01-06 11:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Ittos wrote:

I sit in a recliner when I play. Just like laptops dont always have to be on your lap, desktops dont always have to be at your desk

Haha. Good for you. But if you want to change position and sometimes have it in your lap and sometimes put it on you desk or even bring it with you to the bathroom (it has happened when I couldn't go AFK) I think the laptop can't be beaten. Also, it hardly takes up any space and I can even bring it when I travel. I like the portability and flexibility and I only need one computer for all my needs (though I have two more for backup and such). And it plays EVE just fine with most graphics settings maxed (shader and shadows on medium).
Lexmana
#113 - 2013-01-06 11:04:24 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1

I will admit, I can't do that on my laptop ...
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-01-06 11:08:41 UTC
stopped reading this "the Desktop pc is dead " about half into it.

If their was a need to get EvE on a platform other then the desktop or laptop ,i guess that CCP will already have a plan ready.

The only thing ,i am worried,is that CCP stays at only DX9 too long .
If they should make another multiversion of the client again ,like when they had when V2 shading was supported ,i don,t know
Growing with tech available is ok ,but growing with the chosen tech is more important.



R.S.I2014

Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-01-06 11:10:33 UTC
My wife has one of those upright combined touchscreen and tower things, with wireless keyboard and mouse (she is neurotic about neatness). Anyway while she was away on a girls weekend I did the unforgivable and installed eve. It ran it better than I thought.

When in space your ship flys after your finger which is really cool for manual piloting. So you move your finger around and the ship follows a couple of inches behind - cool eh!

but,

Really made my arm ache. So I laid the computer flat. It collected dust and buscuit crumbs and really confused things - I got concorded because of a hobnob! Or maybe a sneeze?

So I put it at 45 degrees and it ruins your back. You still need the keyboard though, obviously and some things were better using a mouse.

Good idea that initially was fun, but once the novelty wore off, and it did quickly. I uninstalled and went back to my conventional desktop.

Oh and got a bollocking when she got home.

Flowers and chocolate. Sorted!

Raptors

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#116 - 2013-01-06 11:16:57 UTC
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


*yawn*

Yes, Laptops killed the PC once. Or so the writers would've had you believe

Consoles killed gaming on the PC once. Or at least they tried.

Now tablets - half-assed laptops with no keyboard will kill the PC?

You're imagining things.



I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#117 - 2013-01-06 11:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
PC is dying, same as EVE. We all heard this story couple of times. Smile
TharOkha
0asis Group
#118 - 2013-01-06 11:30:46 UTC
Ageck Kalenia wrote:

All this points to something CCP isn't admitting: their flagship game title could soon become too damn inconvenient to play if it remains bound for all time to traditional PCs.


Desktops simply wont die. Because all that stuff, which are you using on those tablets/smartphones are produced by hitech geeks on desktop/laptop. Same people who plays EVE.

When do you all tablet lovers realizes that tablets, phones and other gadgets are just consumer products? They are just byproducts of PCs.

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What’s troubling is that, to date, CCP has offered almost no interest beyond traditional PCs.


Dont you think that this "status quo" is exactly what brings (and maintains) players to EVE and maybe thats the reason why there are articles about EVE in Forbes? Just look at Win8. MS shows middlefinger to desktop users. We all know how "great" Win8 sales are. Maybe thats the reason why all other MMOs changed to free to play, because they want to be inovative and modern.. But new and modern doesnt always mean better.

Quote:
But ARM and other mobile technologies are maturing fast, with multi-core processors, dedicated GPUs, and beautiful multi-touch displays claiming long-established PC territory,


Difference between ARM based and x86 based computers are that ARM devices are attractive to masses. Every 14 year old girl has its own tablet or smartphone. Of course it will overhelm PCs in orders of magnitude. But that 14 year old girls will surely wont play EVE.

Quote:
As our PCs age, we will replace expand them with touch-based multipurpose tablets, hybrid smartphones, and lord-knows-what other concoctions of techno-wizardry.

Fixed

Quote:
Bringing internet spaceships to a new generation of devices demands a complete interface overhaul, perhaps even a full-scale client rewrite.


NO NO AND NO. Im not aggainist additional SW to smartphones and tablets. But they should not make them multiplatform.

EVE is for desktop (keyboard+mouse)
Dust is for consoles (gamepad)
For tablets and smartphones, there should be totaly different game (some sort of station minigames etc)

But making EVE multoiplatform (different controls) is very very bad direction. Just look at crysis1 and crysis2. or diablo3
Anndy
The Evocati
#119 - 2013-01-06 11:35:45 UTC
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
CCP recently indulged in a bit of self-congratulation following widespread media coverage of their 450,000th paid EVE subscription. Mainstream news outlets, including Forbes, actually remarked on the game’s success despite its venerability and outdated subscription model. EVE is proving unexpected staying power, growing steadily while other MMOs such as WoW have struggled to retain monthly customers.

All this attention might suggest the future of EVE is rosy and bright, but consider:

- The future of traditional x86 and x64 PC architecture is increasingly vague. Laptops have been outselling desktop systems for years, but tablet sales are gaining exponentially. A whopping 122 million ARM-based tablets and smartphones sold in 2012.

- Within two years, ARM devices will account for more than half of all personal computer sales.

- 97% of those devices will employ touch as their primary input. A full 50% will support gesture input and 10% will natively display stereoscopic 3D.

- The PC gaming industry has little appetite for Windows 8, as evidenced by leaders such as Valve Software. Valve is currently backing an aggressive transition to Steam for Linux, with a repository of 40 games and counting already available to open-source users. Valve is also throwing support behind Oculus Rift, a revolutionary developing virtual reality system.

All this points to something CCP isn't admitting: their flagship game title could soon become too damn inconvenient to play if it remains bound for all time to traditional PCs.

For the moment, EVE’s subscribers are loyal and (on the whole) pleased with the status quo. CCP just completed their 18th successful expansion, filling EVE with upgrades and goodies ranging from simplified combat functions to baffling trading cards. Players are heavily invested in EVE, emotionally, financially, and otherwise.

But ARM and other mobile technologies are maturing fast, with multi-core processors, dedicated GPUs, and beautiful multi-touch displays claiming long-established PC territory, both in performance and sales. As our PCs age, we will replace them with touch-based multipurpose tablets, hybrid smartphones, and lord-knows-what other concoctions of techno-wizardry. Those who do choose a traditional PC may find Windows taking a backseat to Ubuntu and other platforms. The fact that these devices refuse to run EVE-Online will not deter us from choosing the device suited to our increasingly busy and mobile lives.

What’s troubling is that, to date, CCP has offered almost no interest beyond traditional PCs. They pulled official support for Linux in 2009, citing low usage. Fanfest attendees went wild last spring when CCP purportedly demonstrated EVE being tested on Android. But nearly a full year later, with no updates, no announcements, and no beta, we’re no longer convinced. It’s become clear CCP will never support many of the bleeding-edge technologies we most covet – mobile computing, open source operating systems, stereoscopic 3D, touch and gesture input, and virtual reality.

I predict a tipping point, perhaps one to two years in the future, where EVE fans, torn between a device that suits their needs and a device that runs EVE, will inevitably cancel their subscriptions and embrace a new era of personal computing. CCP will trumpet new expansions, drop all the tweaks and player content their little hearts desire, and even lower subscription prices, but the damage will be done.

CCP has time to pull it together, but it’s understandably harder and less interesting than designing new battlecruisers or tweaking mining yields. Bringing internet spaceships to a new generation of devices demands a complete interface overhaul, perhaps even a full-scale client rewrite. But in EVE’s greatest challenge lies also its greatest opportunity. Mobile and open-source gaming platforms are bringing accessibility and exposure to untouched masses. If CCP can’t get excited about retaining existing gamers, maybe the prospect of millions of potential new subscribers will whet their appetite for the job at hand.


so you had to write all that just to say you want eve on your tablet/phone?

really it will never happen, sure a lot of people are buying tablets but most of those people also have a PC and are not buying those tablets to play games, gaming on tablets may pull in the casual market but those are the same type that play facebook games all day which is not the type playing eve or really PC games in general
primordial ghost
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-01-06 11:38:27 UTC
tl,dr

op is eve dying again? ~maya 2013~