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How EVE Became Obsolete (And why CCP hasn’t noticed)

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#181 - 2013-01-07 00:53:06 UTC
ARM was so MASSIVELY successful that Mac switched over to x86 architecture.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#182 - 2013-01-07 01:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Scien Inkunen
Anything that involves touching is good only for sex - PC gaming will prevail.

And picking your nose and touching the (any) screen is not recomendable.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Count of MonteCylon
Anti-Pirate Enforcement
#183 - 2013-01-07 01:39:33 UTC
Great post OP.

OP is wrong about the loss of the keyboard and mouse, but he is right about the transition to more portable hardware. Eve will need to run on future tablets and more operating systems in order to remain competitive. I plan to be using only keyboard and mouse compatible tablets (likely an evolved Windows 8) within a few years for example.

The simple answer is streaming graphics, Eve is a game that can pull that off.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. -- Ephesians 6:12
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2013-01-07 01:51:34 UTC
Flakey Foont
#185 - 2013-01-07 01:56:42 UTC
Well since you seem to have a lock on the future, don't forget to invite me to your island and yacht!

Maybe my NeXT computer will be worth something!
galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2013-01-07 02:32:32 UTC
I have a tablet, Smart phone, PC and a laptopWhat?

The tablet will only be good for serious and long gaming sessions when it has a


- A larger screen
- A keyboard
- A mouse
and a stand so i don't have to hold that larger screen.



at that point it looks like my PC or my laptop .... strange that :)



Tablets are good mobile and casual devices ( assuming you don't use it for work)

Desktops are you stay at home comfort device that you can sit at for hours on end .


Oh and Drunk tablet using doesn't always end well . Shocked
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2013-01-07 03:35:15 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1


Mother of god.

PFFT! Scrubs.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#188 - 2013-01-07 03:52:25 UTC
I cant play EVE in my tablet...EVE is dying!

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#189 - 2013-01-07 04:56:20 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
.....
However.... the demographic change is something they might want to look into.
The current EvE player age is 27.
.....
The change will be slow and gradual , but it'll come.
SO don't be surprised when on the EvE Con at 2016 or something , EvE turns into WoW


A good post. There will always be a percentage of intelligent types with patience and attention spans, some of the new demographic you mentioned will be growing up into EvE.

OP, for free laughs, read some techno-predictions from the mid 1980s, people who were taken seriously foresaw total immersion in media to the point where it would become immediate and replace real life. This thinking spawned a giant itchy rash of science fiction and fantasy that has by now become embedded in pop culture and is taken for granted.

Still waiting on my flying car and alternate universe game.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#190 - 2013-01-07 05:19:06 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:


OP, for free laughs, read some techno-predictions from the mid 1980s, people who were taken seriously foresaw total immersion in media to the point where it would become immediate and replace real life. This thinking spawned a giant itchy rash of science fiction and fantasy that has by now become embedded in pop culture and is taken for granted.

Still waiting on my flying car and alternate universe game.


Oh the days of Tron, Videodrome, Weird science, Blade runner, The Terminator, Aliens, Dune, The Last Starfighter, RoboCop oh hey, Robocop. That's one IP that hasn't been rehashed... wait, whats that?... OH GOD THEIR REBOOTING ROBOCOP NOOOOOO
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2013-01-07 05:25:16 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:


OP, for free laughs, read some techno-predictions from the mid 1980s, people who were taken seriously foresaw total immersion in media to the point where it would become immediate and replace real life. This thinking spawned a giant itchy rash of science fiction and fantasy that has by now become embedded in pop culture and is taken for granted.

Still waiting on my flying car and alternate universe game.


Oh the days of Tron, Videodrome, Weird science, Blade runner, The Terminator, Aliens, Dune, The Last Starfighter, RoboCop oh hey, Robocop. That's one IP that hasn't been rehashed... wait, whats that?... OH GOD THEIR REBOOTING ROBOCOP NOOOOOO


Wish they'd start making good movies again Sad

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#192 - 2013-01-07 05:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
Just because of you, I finally did my W8 migration, so +28 machines to Microsoft's tally =P

Damn forums costing me money...

It was awful it took almost 30 minutes, and all the software installed itself, damn these zero configuration devil machines... I am so totally going to replace my 28 student machines with tablets... students love typing papers out on tablets.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#193 - 2013-01-07 05:28:29 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:


OP, for free laughs, read some techno-predictions from the mid 1980s, people who were taken seriously foresaw total immersion in media to the point where it would become immediate and replace real life. This thinking spawned a giant itchy rash of science fiction and fantasy that has by now become embedded in pop culture and is taken for granted.

Still waiting on my flying car and alternate universe game.


Oh the days of Tron, Videodrome, Weird science, Blade runner, The Terminator, Aliens, Dune, The Last Starfighter, RoboCop oh hey, Robocop. That's one IP that hasn't been rehashed... wait, whats that?... OH GOD THEIR REBOOTING ROBOCOP NOOOOOO


Wish they'd start making good movies again Sad


The last good movie I saw was District 9...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9

Now with 100% less Troll.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#194 - 2013-01-07 05:39:02 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:


OP, for free laughs, read some techno-predictions from the mid 1980s, people who were taken seriously foresaw total immersion in media to the point where it would become immediate and replace real life. This thinking spawned a giant itchy rash of science fiction and fantasy that has by now become embedded in pop culture and is taken for granted.

Still waiting on my flying car and alternate universe game.


Oh the days of Tron, Videodrome, Weird science, Blade runner, The Terminator, Aliens, Dune, The Last Starfighter, RoboCop oh hey, Robocop. That's one IP that hasn't been rehashed... wait, whats that?... OH GOD THEIR REBOOTING ROBOCOP NOOOOOO


Wish they'd start making good movies again Sad


The last good movie I saw was District 9...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9


The sequel was pretty good... Battle: LA P

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#195 - 2013-01-07 05:40:31 UTC
Good thread, thank you.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#196 - 2013-01-07 06:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Rain6637 wrote:
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1


OWNED Lol

I mean, that "hype" that you HAVE TO spend all your fortune to buy a decend gaming PC is ridiculous. I have 3 monitors in eyefinity, i7, 16gigs of ram and R7950 3gb + SSD and i didnt spend more than 1200eur on it (also i didnt buy it at once... i have been upgrading it gradualy and some components was second hand) .

Also i build brand new PC for my friend and his whole gaming rig costs 750eur (he can run any game on highest settings in FullHD). Of course i didnt buy most expensive procesor or some fancy 100eur mouse

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#197 - 2013-01-07 06:43:22 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.

I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.


you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1


OWNED Lol

I mean, that "hype" that you HAVE TO spend all your fortune to buy a decend gaming PC is ridiculous. I have 3 monitors in eyefinity, i7, 16gigs of ram and R7950 3gb + SSD and i didnt spend more than 1200eur on it (also i didnt buy it at once... i have been upgrading it gradualy and some components was second hand) .

Also i build brand new PC for my friend and his whole gaming rig costs 750eur (he can run any game on highest settings in FullHD). Of course i didnt buy most expensive procesor or some fancy 100eur mouse


Who needs eyefinity when you can get the same experience from an iPhone...

3.5 inches is more than enough to satisfy anyone!

Now with 100% less Troll.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#198 - 2013-01-07 06:51:35 UTC
PC's will always exist because some crummy little tablet or a phone cant hope to give the display and functionality of a proper keyboard/mouse and a big monitor. Sure chips may be getting smaller and thats great for phones but a phone is not a gaming platform.

Untill the world becomes 100% enthralled with farmville and sims social there will always be a need for machines that can properly run proper games.

I have played a flying "simulator" on a phone, it was extremely simple, it had 3 touch screen controls and you moved the phone around to make it fly, it was clumsy and not terribly responsive to my movements. Not to mention it wasnt really all that awesome on a tiny little screen. I play eve full screen on a 24 inch flatscreen, no phone or tablet is near that big and it would defeat thier real purpose if they were. They are not gaming platforms, sims social/farmville are not "games" merely apps.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2013-01-07 07:04:18 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
PC's will always exist because some crummy little tablet or a phone cant hope to give the display and functionality of a proper keyboard/mouse and a big monitor. Sure chips may be getting smaller and thats great for phones but a phone is not a gaming platform.

Untill the world becomes 100% enthralled with farmville and sims social there will always be a need for machines that can properly run proper games.

I have played a flying "simulator" on a phone, it was extremely simple, it had 3 touch screen controls and you moved the phone around to make it fly, it was clumsy and not terribly responsive to my movements. Not to mention it wasnt really all that awesome on a tiny little screen. I play eve full screen on a 24 inch flatscreen, no phone or tablet is near that big and it would defeat thier real purpose if they were. They are not gaming platforms, sims social/farmville are not "games" merely apps.


I agree, but not for the same reasons... I'd love to see a tablet run far cry 3 or something like that

Oh wait, that's the same reason Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Gothikia
#200 - 2013-01-07 07:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Gothikia
Sigh, I've had this same god damn argument with venture capitalists who are convinced that mobile is the way to make the massive bucks. Five of them have invested in mobile gaming over the last year and lost their money.

The mobile market is too saturated and not a good fit for MMO type games. Let me explain. The standard refresh cycle for a mobile platform, lets say a tablet, is 9-12 months from what we've seen over the last few years. 9 Months is not enough time to develop a large scale game, or MMO, or for any other project that you're doing because the platform that you're developing for is constantly changing. What the suits don't understand though is that mobile is strictly for casual gaming, not hard core like EVE Online. There is no real market or business model that actually works for a tablet MMO right now that will allow you (as a business) to have sustainable growth.

Now, ARM. ARM isn't ready right now this instant for stuff like EVE online, but it's getting there and as a shareholder in ARM Holdings, I'm quite looking forward to it. But people are forgetting something huge whilst caught up in the fad of the month device.

Most people still have PC's, and I'll argue, still the best gaming platform we have. You can take all your fancy consoles and mobile platforms you want, but in terms of capability, immersion potential, availability and just good business sense the PC is still by far the best gaming environment you can have and will be for a long time.

The Microsoft Surface debacle has shown that most people just want to sit down, use a keyboard and mouse/trackpad when on a PC, not because it's what people are used to. But because it actually works!

I agree with the OP that pulling linux support was one of the most stupid decisions CCP have made and will eventually come round to bite them in the arse. But I disagree with the title of your thread. EVE Online is not obsolete and quite possibly won't be for another 10 years. I'm astonished that EVE has survived this long, let alone grown. She'll still be around 10 years from now, mark my words.

Edit: Just want to add in a little thing you said about VR. I've been doing research with VR technologies in gaming since 2007. Still not ready and won't be to a level that people can actually be amazed at. At least another 5 years of work is needed in it. Carmack is pmuch of the same assertion.

<3 Gothie