These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Warfare & Tactics

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

PVP is boring!!!

Author
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#61 - 2013-01-15 18:34:59 UTC
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG, the last of it's kind, it's a colossal monument to emergent gameplay.

Some people love EvE, some people hate EvE, and some people don't have a clue about EvE. The OP fits in this last group.

The Tears Must Flow

ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#62 - 2013-01-16 10:07:32 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.
Cpt Mooney
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-01-16 12:47:08 UTC
@Rynnik +1

@topic: ppl whining about camping the titan being boring?
did you ever try to BE the bait and escalate a situation before popping the cyno, so its actually worth more than a cheap bc kill?
or even better: did you ever move your arse OUT of the forcefield, to try and get a tackle on someone yourself, who will eventually eat you in <1min(without any further chance to get away if it doesent work out), so you gotta prey that your buddies will be there in time?

yes 1on1 pvp(mostly won by shiptype & skillvl when both rush into a brawl) and doing the f1-drone thingy is kinda boring.
...so why not try something else instead?
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#64 - 2013-01-16 12:54:05 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.



Thats why you stay on the sidelines and kill all the buggers obsessed with owning things indiscriminately for the sake of enjoying it.

This is a game, pvp for pvp is quite usual for a game, you don't NEED to be fighting FOR something.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Cpt Mooney
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-01-16 13:51:27 UTC
true, in eve you pvp for the sake of it...
heck, we dont even have an (ingame) "elite-ranking". :p

but isnt the thrill reward enough allready?
yaknow, theres no freakin graveyard and stuff... ;)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-01-16 14:13:28 UTC
RvB is a good place if you don't want to spend all day looking for fights, and they offer pretty much ever form of pvp, with the most focus on solo/1v1/small/medium gang. You can also join Factional Warfare, which give some of the same options as RvB combined with other low-sec mechanics. FW is a fun way to make some isk and get in some fights, and you can do it flying almost every ship.

If you just want to log in and get into some fights go for RvB or FW, they are both easy to join and they both give good odds on finding somewhat even fights without the long waits.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#67 - 2013-01-16 17:00:28 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.



Thats why you stay on the sidelines and kill all the buggers obsessed with owning things indiscriminately for the sake of enjoying it.

This is a game, pvp for pvp is quite usual for a game, you don't NEED to be fighting FOR something.



I agree with what you and cpt mooney say. The pvp is a fun sideline in this game. That is why Vaju Enk is wrong when he says eve is "PvP centric." In the major mechanics like null sec sov, and even faction war sov the pvp is just a sideline.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#68 - 2013-01-16 18:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.


You missed the point, EvE is PvP.

After the login screen, every activity you do in EvE is PvP.

FW and Nullsec Wars are not the "PvP part" of EvE, since in EvE everything is releated with PvP competition.

The Tears Must Flow

ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#69 - 2013-01-16 18:16:05 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.


You missed the point, EvE is PvP.

After the login screen, every activity you do in EvE is PvP.

FW and Nullsec Wars are not the "PvP part" of EvE, since in EvE everything is releated with PvP competition.


Yeah ok your one of those who wants to talk about "market pvp." I dont' think that is what the op was refering to. I think he meant fighting in ships versus other players.

Fighting in ships versus other players is pretty much a sidline, to the teen girl aggression tactics, and pve I refered to above.
Bountyavoiding Alt
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-01-18 00:10:11 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.


You missed the point, EvE is PvP.

After the login screen, every activity you do in EvE is PvP.

FW and Nullsec Wars are not the "PvP part" of EvE, since in EvE everything is releated with PvP competition.



Vaju, I think your recent record of PVP activities, in your one man corp picking on noobs and players barely a month into playing the game, and your aggressive posts are not exactly what the devs and general body of players were going for or are seeking in Eve.

It is one thing being a pirate or a bounty hunter or a general rogue in low or null sec. What you do is not something any MMO company who want to make a profit or any community who want to nurture their game wants. By all means pillage the areas of Eve where people should know better or where people take a chance. Use your skills to destroy 30 or 60m SP players or the lazy members of rich corporations. Bullying members with low SP is easy but it isn't profitable and we all lose in the long run if that player leaves.

We have come across a number of brand new players in hi-sec with barely 1m SP who you have targetted, wardeced and griefed and we have stood behind them with materials and advice. We don't think players with only a couple of months in this game should be forced out by thugs and bullies.

We encourage anyone with less than 3 months in the game to contact this alt if you are subject to griefing, ganking and wardecs from Vaju Enki and his one man corp 'Secular Wisdom'. We won't fight your battles but we will help you learn to defend yourself until you learn Eve.

Vaju - Eve is pvp but if we don't let new players learn the game in hi-sec, why would they go lo-sec or nullsec or help the community grow? I suggest you take your aggression and apply it to people who can defend themselves. Otherwise your opinion can be ignored because you don't pvp anyone except new players and I don't think any of us want that.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#71 - 2013-01-18 01:52:27 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.



Thats why you stay on the sidelines and kill all the buggers obsessed with owning things indiscriminately for the sake of enjoying it.

This is a game, pvp for pvp is quite usual for a game, you don't NEED to be fighting FOR something.



I agree with what you and cpt mooney say. The pvp is a fun sideline in this game. That is why Vaju Enk is wrong when he says eve is "PvP centric." In the major mechanics like null sec sov, and even faction war sov the pvp is just a sideline.


PVP usually follows same patterns all over again. there is nothing fun on grinding.
Christ Illusion
Atrocity Vendors
#72 - 2013-01-18 12:07:42 UTC
I think you miss the scale.
As I see you have 50 million SP, so you should have a lots of money.
With lot of money in your pocket, it is not very exciting and thrilling to fly around in a Rifter you can replace very easy.
So buy a Dramiel and fly with that.
Your excitement problem solved.
Arkaralyie
#73 - 2013-01-19 03:50:13 UTC
Always wondered once a tread gets this long does the OP even read down this far ?
Yes a lot of pvp only last for a couple secs - IF in a SB fleet it might only last a sec or two-
In EVE pvp hurts not only puts a hurt on someones pride but there wallet
Its about what it takes to kill the guy in them few mins and the skills to gtfo when needed.
Find some people to fly with mate / join a corp. that can help a lot with the fun factor
Either way hope you stay around and give it few months , The more ships you can fly too the more fun it becomes.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#74 - 2013-01-19 09:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaju Enki
Bountyavoiding Alt wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
EvE Online is a brutal PvP centric sandbox MMO-RPG,....


You really haven't been paying attention have you?

There are 2 ways to actually grab space in this game and they are Null sec and Faction war.

NULL SEC: Mittani is winning and his era could best be named the "lets be friends and carebear together" era. You won't find any great wars or battles that will make headlines anywhere but eve blogs since BOB. I don't know if BOB was foolish or just decided war was more fun than peace, but either way their constant war mongering is not as effective as Mittani's "lets be friends and carebear together" approach. Goons have enough carebear gold and friends to make them pretty much impossible to dislodge.

The only real aggression that exists in null sec anymore is the teen girl style aggression:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=*****-evolved-girls-cruel

The actual battles are over before they begin.


FACTION WAR: For those who know what they are talking about fw is best viewed as a pve race. People who really want to win the war do not look for pvp. They avoid it go to back water systems and just shoot the rats in plexes. This is the most effective way to win.


You can do piracy or other random acts of violence but its hard to say you are "winning" anything from that. There is no winning in eve through pvp - at least not how most people understand pvp. Whether there is winning at all may be questioned but if there is no winning then its hard to say eve is pvp "centric" or centered on anything.


You missed the point, EvE is PvP.

After the login screen, every activity you do in EvE is PvP.

FW and Nullsec Wars are not the "PvP part" of EvE, since in EvE everything is releated with PvP competition.



Vaju, I think your recent record of PVP activities, in your one man corp picking on noobs and players barely a month into playing the game, and your aggressive posts are not exactly what the devs and general body of players were going for or are seeking in Eve.

It is one thing being a pirate or a bounty hunter or a general rogue in low or null sec. What you do is not something any MMO company who want to make a profit or any community who want to nurture their game wants. By all means pillage the areas of Eve where people should know better or where people take a chance. Use your skills to destroy 30 or 60m SP players or the lazy members of rich corporations. Bullying members with low SP is easy but it isn't profitable and we all lose in the long run if that player leaves.

We have come across a number of brand new players in hi-sec with barely 1m SP who you have targetted, wardeced and griefed and we have stood behind them with materials and advice. We don't think players with only a couple of months in this game should be forced out by thugs and bullies.

We encourage anyone with less than 3 months in the game to contact this alt if you are subject to griefing, ganking and wardecs from Vaju Enki and his one man corp 'Secular Wisdom'. We won't fight your battles but we will help you learn to defend yourself until you learn Eve.

Vaju - Eve is pvp but if we don't let new players learn the game in hi-sec, why would they go lo-sec or nullsec or help the community grow? I suggest you take your aggression and apply it to people who can defend themselves. Otherwise your opinion can be ignored because you don't pvp anyone except new players and I don't think any of us want that.


Bountyavoiding Alt, the name says it all, the fact that you created an alt to avoid bounties shows your stance on the game. In your confused mind, puting a bounty on someone is consider "bullying", killing someone elses "pixels" makes you a bad person, to sum it up, playing EvE Online makes you worst then adolf hitler.

EvE Online is a ruthless pvp centric sandbox MMO-RPG, after the login screen, everything in this game is PvP. Also their is no such thing as non consensual PvP, because first of all, the entire game is PvP, and second, you make it consensual when you login it.

But themeparkers like you just don't get it, maybe try hello kitten online?

The Tears Must Flow